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explode the bazaars or e-ticket ride

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into the world of the paranoid

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds

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cryptozoology waters as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night now your electrifying hosts of

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exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and

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team sports all right I'm just gonna

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have to ask it Tim why are you standing

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there stiff as a board

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I don't think I've seen you move for

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more than an hour huh keep your voice

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down I'm trying to blend in blend in

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blended with what with these standing

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stones I'm trying to find out the

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secrets of Stonehenge um but we're not

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in England were in New England oh I know

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I know I'm well aware of that but

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there's a stone henge in the United

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States and I thought if I look like a

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stone they might take me into their

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confidence as one of them and maybe pass

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along some of the mysteries to me okay

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that's probably the strangest thing I've

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ever heard but you might be there for a

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little while but in the meantime I think

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that our guest this evening can fill us

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in a little better on some of the some

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of the secrets maybe a little better

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than you can oh okay well let me move my

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arm up a little bit okay I'm headed back

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to the studio but very stiffly I don't

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want to give my concealed min away I

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think I'm very well camouflaged here how

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much do I get how much do I get paid for

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that you mean from the American

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I don't know maybe they pay what would

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that be wouldn't be royalties maybe

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advertising fee or something like that

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promotion there you go the free

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promotion well you know I've been to

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Stonehenge in the UK in fact I had a

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quite a bit of an adventure there a few

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years ago I pulled out a book that we

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published and you've contributed to it a

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UFO prophecy visions of the town haunted

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by flying saucers and that warminster is

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a little community I think in a

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population about nine or ten thousand

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when I was over there that was UFO crazy

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for a period in the 60s and 70s and very

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close as far as the crow flies to the

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ancient monument although I don't know

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if they necessarily have crows there but

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uh as long as the UFOs go they certainly

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do have they certainly did have plenty

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of those at the time so I'm interested

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in standing stones and standing

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monuments and why they seem to have such

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magical powers so I think that's kind of

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the the concept of the show or this

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evening Tim yeah that and you know who

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who may have been responsible for for

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building say like America's Stonehenge

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and you know some of the other more

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mysterious structures found around the

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United States it's you know the the

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intro for the show that can be as seen

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on the KCR website you know talks about

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who may have been the the first people

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to discover you know the the Americas

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indigenous people you know we're here

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contenders well we know the Knights

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they went to Oak Island yeah all right

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right well that's their the contention

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you know the Romans Polynesians

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Chinese seems like everybody was here

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earth and it's only been what how many

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financed them would like to have had

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people think that the earth was flat not

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that he would fall off so that they were

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grand hoaxes of all time is that the

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earth was flat and you would fall off no

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mean they were even selling globes you

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the in the market so I mean that was

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thing that Columbus is sailors you know

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the earth either for afraid of falling

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off of anything except my recliner at

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night anyway tell us tell us we're going

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to be conversing with this evening in

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our little chitchat here and exploring

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the bizarre oh sure be my pleasure well

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you know we in our introduction we we

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mentioned America's Stonehenge so

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Dennis stone now Dennis stone is the

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president of America's stone hands and

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name came first his last name or America

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stone Nance well and I'm sure he's heard

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that one you know a million times so now

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Dennis graduated from Daniel Webster

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aviation management was a full-time

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commercial pilot for over 35 years

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18:58 my Dennis's father Robert stone

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archaeology and archaeal astronomy since

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retiring dennis has found many

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serpentine walls and spirit windows

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throughout the site among other new

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discoveries and he has taken numerous

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courses and travelled extensively to

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ancient sites both in the United States

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and internationally his family includes

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daughter-in-law Catherine and his

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classic cars now also with us tonight

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I'm making a return visit always happy

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to have Jim well this is Jim Willis

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Music Jim became a high school band and

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orchestra teacher during the week at a

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spirituality he has been in a Dane

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his own a Drivetime radio show an Arts

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professor in the fields of world

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religions and instrumental music now I

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should mention that Jim is also the

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author of a number of books including

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the dragon awakes rediscovering earth

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energy in the age of science ancient

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gods lost histories hidden truths and

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the conspiracy of silence and

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supernatural God's spiritual mysteries

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truths so Jim and Dennis thank you very

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much for being with us tonight

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on exploring the reserve welcome indeed

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maybe we should have Jim come in for

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this Jim what is there about these

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standing stones and we think of them

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countryside but obviously and now we

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little rock at the time so it's much

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different than that today what is it

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about these stones that give off this

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energy and who discovered this I mean I

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dowsing came along later I think that we

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have we have forgotten how to really

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connect with these stones the way our

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equipment that we have some new brand

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new sites in Siberia the same same idea

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believe it has something to do with a

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deep down sense of spirituality that we

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industrial age that we live and I think

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that it's still within us I know with me

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dowsing when I was 65 years old so why

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while I live right near the Savannah

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topper site where they have found lithic

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back it's been tested by a number of

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different organizations it's been every

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archaeologist in this field

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been verified over and over and over

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again that this this is dated in soil

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years which is a long time for history

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lot easier because when you go back 10

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to 12,000 years in New England you run

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smack into a mile high glacier and it

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gives you a little less at the time

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frame but it's it's just amazing to me I

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I will never forget the first time I

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stood in America Stonehenge back then it

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was called mystery Hill and I was

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talking to Dennis just before the

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program I'm almost positive that it was

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his father Robert who took me around he

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just happened to be there it was a rainy

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afternoon I remember and the rain lifted

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and I said I had mentioned my interest

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in a lot of these megalithic structures

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Massachusetts monks caves and and and

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course the archeologists out there they

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all call them root cellars you know you

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crawl you crawl into one of those things

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there's a to get in you've got to go

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square and you got to get down on your

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hands and knees and I don't think I

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don't know of a single New England

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farmer that would even consider putting

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roots down there you put a basket of

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potatoes down there and they're gonna

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rot on you within a very short time and

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I think America's Stonehenge if any of

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these structures existed in in England

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if they existed in France there'd be no

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question what they are the only problem

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is that people just simply don't want to

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believe that there was pre-columbian

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contact with with Western Europe and

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it's a it's a shame because to me it's

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just exciting I said I stood there

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mystery Hill and I just got chills up

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and down my spine I wish I'd had a pair

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of dowsing rods with me and I wish I

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have been more you know they're doing

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more dowsing back in those days I didn't

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start it until I came down here to South

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Carolina but I wish I had

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it would have been a wonderful thing and

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someday if I can get back here from

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South Carolina back up there I'm going

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to bring my dowsing rods next time I

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visit mystery Hill well you know I it's

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root cellars so-called root cellars

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throughout New England I've had I'm in

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contact maybe you are to would Paul you

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know of course and he's done some

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investigative work some of his

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associates as well and we've had many

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reports that have come our way about

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strange apparitions inside and around

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some of these structures as if they

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actually are part of some sort of vortex

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field or a gateway to to some other

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dimension perhaps and that's getting

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pretty wild now I remember I'm not sure

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it's it's it's very well when you can

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start to consider the strides we've made

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in in quantum quantum mechanics quantum

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theory now be because when you stop to

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think about it I mean everything is a

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manifestation of energy even our bodies

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are manifestation of energy our bodies

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are just simply swirling masses of

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energy that have clumped together on

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this side of the eggs field and I think

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that the day is going to come hopefully

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during even my lifetime when we're going

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to be able to really look at all of

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these things and understand that there's

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some serious science behind energy

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vortexes and things like that I find it

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fascinating

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well now quite a few years ago I was up

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near Lake Superior and I had some time

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to kill on a Sunday afternoon and a

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young woman came into the hotel where I

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was saying and she was a park ranger and

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I guess on Sunday afternoon they take

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the the tourists out for a guided tour

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of some of the trails and so

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but it happened to be raining that the

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afternoon and nobody seemed like they

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wanted to go out in the the mud so I

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just happened to ask her I had anybody

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seen anything unusual around there and

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she said well you know you've got to

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talk to our main park ranger I don't

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remember what his name is is probably

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written down because I've written about

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this probably in a couple of my books

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but she took me to the local park ranger

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headquarters and he described to me I

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believe he even had a file on this about

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the people you know a campers and all

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who had gone back into the should we say

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underbrush some agon wood canoes to find

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lost streams and all and they had stayed

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overnight in one of these well now I

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can't remember the name and I'm sure

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you'll come up with it it's not a hut

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but it's a thing that looks like a

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miniature stone structure with the

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overlapping the top on it you know and

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you could the I guess camp under there

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or meditate on in there or whatever and

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apparently the two nights that they were

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there

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strange balls of light or let's call

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them UFOs for lack of a better term I

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showed up in in France the overhead and

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and that coming from a park arranger I

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thought that it was kind of peculiar at

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the time but he said no that there had

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been other people that had reported this

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type of phenomena what would be your

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thinking on that have you seen anything

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unusual or or or had reports from people

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who have had similar experiences can I

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can I put in a plug right now I have a

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book coming out this fall it's being

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published by Finn harness and it's

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called it's called the quantum Akashic

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field a guide to out-of-body experiences

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for the astral traveler and the book is

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is full of stories like this and I've

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taken for instance from my own OBE

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journal and you have to remember you're

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talking to a guy I'm almost

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seventy-three years old now and until I

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was

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you're 2 years older than the well until

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I was until I was 62 I didn't believe

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any of this stuff I thought it was I was

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a left brain theologian professor

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college professor at worst at best and

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once you start to to get into this and

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take it seriously and open your mind and

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find the piece that you need which is

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very difficult to do in this hectic

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civilization this hectic culture we live

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in but once you begin to to come into

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into to touch with these kinds of

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activities and we came out here to the

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woods in South Carolina deliberately for

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that reason we wanted to get in touch

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with the divine with the holy we didn't

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know what it was we didn't know how it

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would do it I've been a minister on my

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life I've been preaching about it but it

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was all this left brain preaching about

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rather than the experience of and I'm

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absolutely convinced that the experience

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that we found in the last 10 years is

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the experience that our ancient

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ancestors lived in for many many

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generations thousands of years I'm not

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even sure that we can well let's put it

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this way we can the there's been a lot

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of talk lately about the NISS events and

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Neanderthal and how we carry their DNA

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with us I'm not sure that the the kind

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of experience that was theirs that they

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passed along to us in our very DNA that

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could explain the kind of spirituality

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we're talking about

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we are predominantly what they call

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modern humans so to speak a very left

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brain science oriented industrial type

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civilization but down deep within we can

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still find these these coming these kind

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of feelings these kind of actions and

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and this kind of energy and I've had

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quite a few experiences like this myself

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but I have no idea I've no doubt that

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the people you talk to really did

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experience something that was real

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that was important and I think we need

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to know more about it I've been in

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contact quite recently with Dean Radin

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out in California quite advanced and his

429
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new book his new book on magic you know

430
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Dean is about his left brain scientific

431
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as you're gonna get and his new book is

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just selling off the church it's being

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translated into different languages I

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think people are opening for it maybe

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that's going to be her salvation after

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all of reawakening of this kind of earth

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00:21:13,580 --> 00:21:09,240
magic of this kind of earth energy well

438
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why would and I call them UFOs because

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that doesn't mean there is a planetary

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but it means that they're unexplained

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why would UFOs seem to attach themselves

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to such monuments or structures boy I

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wish I could answer that I wish you

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could too

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I can only look at it as such that there

446
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are places where energy swirls around an

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energy to accomplishes some some pretty

448
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fantastic things I have no doubt that

449
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the universe is full of of life but I

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don't even think we need necessarily to

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hypothesize nuts-and-bolts spaceships to

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be visited by aliens because I the whole

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idea of the multiverse and many many

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different dimensions parallel dimensions

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that are being taken very seriously now

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00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:04,679
by theoretical physicists this is I

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think just a wonderful wonderful

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exploration when you talk about energies

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I'm fascinated and I really want to hear

460
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Denis talking about this energy line

461
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that connects the the I think it's the

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equinox the east-west the the equinox

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line with not only Stonehenge but also

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going all the way to Lebanon because if

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you follow that line he followed it of

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course

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eastward England and then over it cross

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the Mediterranean if you follow that

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line the other way it comes down here

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dangerously near where I have discovered

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a ley line and energy and earth energy

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line that comes right through our

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property and I'm dying to find how if

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we're on the same wavelength so does be

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with America Stonehenge up in New

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Hampshire well Glenn could yeah no no no

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no well I was just gonna say that that

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was a an interesting point because I

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always seems to me that possibly that

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you know whoever built these structures

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originally had some kind of awareness

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you know of of these types of earth

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energies I mean yeah that's why they

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that's why they built their I think so a

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lot of these places that Gobekli Tepe

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for instance our built in places you you

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just wouldn't go on and build a place

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like this if you were just doing it to

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be convenient some of them are hard to

490
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get to there's no water there's no

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there's no nothing around that would

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seem to say this is where it has to be

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except the energy and the earth itself

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I think our ancestors felt it and that's

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why these these megaliths are built

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where they are mm-hmm all right well we

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are coming up to our first break of the

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evening so when we come back we'll bring

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Dennis stone into the conversation and

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find out and we've been kind of dancing

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around this just what america's

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stonehenge actually is so stay tuned we

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will be right back in just a few minutes

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now back to exploring the bazaars with

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two of the most electrifying researchers

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in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

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Lee and Kings lists you welcome back to

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exploring the bazaar tonight we're

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talking with Jim Willis and now we're

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going to bring Dennis stone into the

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conversation Dennis I didn't tonight Oh

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fine thank you thank you for having me

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on this evening oh it's our pleasure you

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know wedding to have you hunt for a

515
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:49,059
while now so I'm glad we could finally

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get get the alignments get the the the

517
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alignment of the planets and star just

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rights alright so like I said before

519
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we're on our break would be kind of

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dancing around America's stone hands so

521
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why don't you tell our audience who may

522
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not be familiar with it just what

523
00:25:14,830 --> 00:25:12,470
exactly America's Stonehenge is well

524
00:25:16,779 --> 00:25:14,840
it's a complex of stone structures we're

525
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located about 40 miles north of Boston

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in southern New Hampshire and about 20

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miles from the Atlantic seaboard it's a

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hill of about 110 acres and on this

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hundred ten acres as stone structures

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their chambers as ramps courtyards a

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complete set of underground drains that

532
00:25:36,340 --> 00:25:34,820
keep the place dry and it was all

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engineered before they actually built

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the chambers on top but surrounding the

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main site which is about one acre of

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most of the stone structures

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astronomical alignments and that covers

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about almost 20 acres of the 110 acres

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with those vertical standing stones we

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00:25:56,590 --> 00:25:53,630
call monoliths and these are lined with

541
00:25:58,330 --> 00:25:56,600
the Sun Moon and stars we think the

542
00:26:01,060 --> 00:25:58,340
site's not a living place we think it

543
00:26:03,130 --> 00:26:01,070
was a ceremonial Center for many

544
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:03,140
different reasons but the structures

545
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:04,880
really are not designed for living

546
00:26:09,220 --> 00:26:07,850
purposes but they do look ceremonial if

547
00:26:11,620 --> 00:26:09,230
you will and I've seen a lot of these

548
00:26:13,210 --> 00:26:11,630
same chambers throughout my visits to

549
00:26:15,220 --> 00:26:13,220
Europe for instance I think this about

550
00:26:17,169 --> 00:26:15,230
50,000 megalithic sites in Western

551
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:17,179
Europe and I always function is very

552
00:26:21,130 --> 00:26:20,090
similar to Stonehenge however the form

553
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:21,140
is different it's not

554
00:26:24,610 --> 00:26:22,970
same shape it looks more like some of

555
00:26:26,190 --> 00:26:24,620
the other chambers surrounding that you

556
00:26:30,220 --> 00:26:26,200
know particularly in Ireland and Spain

557
00:26:33,070 --> 00:26:30,230
and Portugal and megalithic sites and

558
00:26:35,290 --> 00:26:33,080
not only a Western European thing

559
00:26:38,290 --> 00:26:35,300
they're actually all over the world they

560
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:38,300
cover Asia they're into China southern

561
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:40,850
Africa recently we've become aware that

562
00:26:45,010 --> 00:26:42,890
they're in Australia and South America

563
00:26:47,260 --> 00:26:45,020
so they seem to be on six out of seven

564
00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:47,270
continents they make a lithic basically

565
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:49,370
means just huge stone sites but there

566
00:26:53,860 --> 00:26:51,770
are the style the construction the

567
00:26:56,530 --> 00:26:53,870
orientation of our site is very very

568
00:26:59,260 --> 00:26:56,540
similar to the ones you'll see not only

569
00:27:00,730 --> 00:26:59,270
in Europe but throughout Russia and it's

570
00:27:03,460 --> 00:27:00,740
really amazing we thought back in the

571
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:03,470
1950s our site was were unique and that

572
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:06,080
was it with maybe about 12 other sites

573
00:27:11,050 --> 00:27:08,690
in the Northeast but today we know of

574
00:27:13,420 --> 00:27:11,060
about 800 sites from Canada right down

575
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:13,430
to the mid-atlantic states so our site

576
00:27:19,450 --> 00:27:15,770
is not the only site it might be one of

577
00:27:22,300 --> 00:27:19,460
the most complex for its area of 110

578
00:27:24,430 --> 00:27:22,310
acres but it's not the the only site so

579
00:27:26,260 --> 00:27:24,440
my dad began you know it's like this is

580
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:26,270
that with a couple other sites but today

581
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:28,850
we know that they actually have found

582
00:27:33,130 --> 00:27:30,530
recently the same type of chambers out

583
00:27:35,470 --> 00:27:33,140
in eastern Colorado Alabama and in

584
00:27:37,930 --> 00:27:35,480
Georgia so we're not you know we don't

585
00:27:40,170 --> 00:27:37,940
have you know we don't have the only

586
00:27:42,940 --> 00:27:40,180
stampers for sure you know just up here

587
00:27:44,580 --> 00:27:42,950
so now your father bought the property

588
00:27:48,430 --> 00:27:44,590
in 1958

589
00:27:51,370 --> 00:27:48,440
correct yeah he first visited the site

590
00:27:53,170 --> 00:27:51,380
in 1955 mm-hm and it was a radio talk

591
00:27:54,820 --> 00:27:53,180
show when he heard about it on a show

592
00:27:57,700 --> 00:27:54,830
out of Boston and he looked eight miles

593
00:28:00,220 --> 00:27:57,710
away and on a Friday night his show was

594
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:00,230
called Yankee yarns in the talk show

595
00:28:03,580 --> 00:28:01,850
host result in halt blacking ttan

596
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:03,590
there's only one of the biggest stations

597
00:28:06,700 --> 00:28:05,090
in New England right out of Boston and

598
00:28:08,410 --> 00:28:06,710
on this particular Friday night they

599
00:28:10,870 --> 00:28:08,420
were talking about these stone ruins and

600
00:28:12,370 --> 00:28:10,880
it really caught his attention he hit on

601
00:28:13,570 --> 00:28:12,380
the lift eight miles away in had never

602
00:28:15,460 --> 00:28:13,580
heard of this

603
00:28:16,570 --> 00:28:15,470
so really amazed him what you're talking

604
00:28:17,950 --> 00:28:16,580
about he's like how can that be it's

605
00:28:21,370 --> 00:28:17,960
just down the street you know you know

606
00:28:22,900 --> 00:28:21,380
ten minute ride in that same week you is

607
00:28:24,220 --> 00:28:22,910
that a bottle shop waiting to have his

608
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:24,230
hair cut and he saw her in New Hampshire

609
00:28:27,730 --> 00:28:26,570
profile magazine it was three years old

610
00:28:30,370 --> 00:28:27,740
and he while he was waiting he was

611
00:28:32,050 --> 00:28:30,380
reading it and as he flipped through the

612
00:28:33,580 --> 00:28:32,060
pages as a sight again as a whole

613
00:28:34,540 --> 00:28:33,590
article about it was kind of the feature

614
00:28:36,970 --> 00:28:34,550
of that particular

615
00:28:39,850 --> 00:28:36,980
monthly issue so he asked a barber if he

616
00:28:41,020 --> 00:28:39,860
could keep that and the vibra said well

617
00:28:42,430 --> 00:28:41,030
how old is that he goes well it's three

618
00:28:44,830 --> 00:28:42,440
years old he says yeah sure I'd take it

619
00:28:46,270 --> 00:28:44,840
around my aunt and uncle's house a bunch

620
00:28:47,470 --> 00:28:46,280
of people probably ten people playing

621
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:47,480
cards and having a good time that

622
00:28:51,490 --> 00:28:49,970
following Saturday he took it out and he

623
00:28:53,500 --> 00:28:51,500
showed it to everybody and everybody

624
00:28:55,180 --> 00:28:53,510
passed around nobody really recognized

625
00:28:57,100 --> 00:28:55,190
it until it got to my aunt and uncle and

626
00:28:58,900 --> 00:28:57,110
they looked at it studied it and said oh

627
00:29:00,220 --> 00:28:58,910
wait a minute we were there in the 1930s

628
00:29:02,650 --> 00:29:00,230
you used to go down there and picnic you

629
00:29:05,620 --> 00:29:02,660
know so it's kind of an informal picnic

630
00:29:07,300 --> 00:29:05,630
area to the local people and my dad says

631
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:07,310
can you find it and he goes well we have

632
00:29:10,300 --> 00:29:08,720
been there in 20 years but we'll give it

633
00:29:12,610 --> 00:29:10,310
a shot so the next morning they went

634
00:29:14,140 --> 00:29:12,620
came down they drove all over the place

635
00:29:16,690 --> 00:29:14,150
they finally found what looked like the

636
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:16,700
road and parked the car next to it and

637
00:29:19,630 --> 00:29:17,810
then they walked up the hill about a

638
00:29:21,220 --> 00:29:19,640
half a mile and they actually you know

639
00:29:23,710 --> 00:29:21,230
were able to get into the site they

640
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:23,720
climbed in the Rabab wide chant offense

641
00:29:28,180 --> 00:29:25,730
that's still later today the fence was

642
00:29:31,090 --> 00:29:28,190
put up in 1938 by the first investigator

643
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:31,100
mr. Goodwin and after that as they say

644
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:32,930
it was history my dad just fell in love

645
00:29:37,870 --> 00:29:35,210
with a place and he did open it up in

646
00:29:40,300 --> 00:29:37,880
1958 as mr. Hill caves so we just had

647
00:29:42,300 --> 00:29:40,310
our 60th the anniversary the summer on

648
00:29:47,170 --> 00:29:42,310
the summer solstice as a matter of fact

649
00:29:50,620 --> 00:29:47,180
so okay now you mentioned the 1930s how

650
00:29:56,410 --> 00:29:50,630
how long had people been aware that this

651
00:29:58,600 --> 00:29:56,420
was an unusual location well history of

652
00:30:00,280 --> 00:29:58,610
Salem came out in 1907 by a gentleman

653
00:30:02,290 --> 00:30:00,290
named Edgar Gilbert he was a friend of

654
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:02,300
Robert Frost these two work together in

655
00:30:08,980 --> 00:30:05,120
the textile mills down in Lawrence

656
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:08,990
Massachusetts and so Edgar Gilbert wrote

657
00:30:13,900 --> 00:30:11,930
the history came out in 1907 and it said

658
00:30:17,380 --> 00:30:13,910
about these particular chambers that

659
00:30:19,210 --> 00:30:17,390
there he said that some it's a while but

660
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:19,220
wonderful place among the soft pine and

661
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:21,050
rough boulders were weird tales may be

662
00:30:25,570 --> 00:30:23,840
woven very poetic I don't know if Robert

663
00:30:29,770 --> 00:30:25,580
Frost helped him on that but this guy

664
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:29,780
was a poet too and that was 1907 by 1937

665
00:30:35,170 --> 00:30:33,290
mr. Goodwin from - Connecticut got

666
00:30:37,270 --> 00:30:35,180
involved with a site and he was really

667
00:30:39,580 --> 00:30:37,280
the first researcher I mean he wrote

668
00:30:40,740 --> 00:30:39,590
several books one was called the ruins

669
00:30:43,090 --> 00:30:40,750
of great Ireland in New England

670
00:30:45,790 --> 00:30:43,100
primarily about our site but he knew up

671
00:30:47,860 --> 00:30:45,800
about those 12 sites that I mentioned

672
00:30:50,350 --> 00:30:47,870
before throughout New England

673
00:30:52,420 --> 00:30:50,360
then he was here until 1950 when he

674
00:30:55,330 --> 00:30:52,430
passed away his idea was it was a biking

675
00:30:59,020 --> 00:30:55,340
site and he also heard a book called the

676
00:31:01,240 --> 00:30:59,030
truth about Leif Eriksson and it wasn't

677
00:31:02,890 --> 00:31:01,250
too long after they began uncovering the

678
00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:02,900
site with all the brush and debris that

679
00:31:06,910 --> 00:31:04,910
had covered it over the years that he

680
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:06,920
recognized it wasn't a Viking settlement

681
00:31:11,170 --> 00:31:08,720
it wasn't sod houses it was actually

682
00:31:12,580 --> 00:31:11,180
stone chambers with stone roofs it

683
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:12,590
looked different than what the Vikings

684
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:13,760
would have built and they weren't really

685
00:31:19,030 --> 00:31:17,090
livable type structures so he changed

686
00:31:20,740 --> 00:31:19,040
his idea it was the Irish call the monks

687
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:20,750
coming over over a thousand years ago

688
00:31:26,049 --> 00:31:23,690
kind of for religious freedom and part

689
00:31:28,510 --> 00:31:26,059
of it was to escape the Vikings too and

690
00:31:30,430 --> 00:31:28,520
so he felt when he died that it was

691
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:30,440
built up just over a thousand years ago

692
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:32,450
and it was a Viking settlement I mean

693
00:31:36,970 --> 00:31:34,610
Irish called a monk monastery excuse me

694
00:31:38,650 --> 00:31:36,980
and so that kind of that theory was

695
00:31:41,020 --> 00:31:38,660
there for quite a few years so he was

696
00:31:43,060 --> 00:31:41,030
really the first investigator so it was

697
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:43,070
80 years ago last year that the first

698
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:45,890
archaeological research began so we kind

699
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:48,559
of had died anniversary and our 60th

700
00:31:53,020 --> 00:31:50,570
anniversary being open to the public was

701
00:31:55,690 --> 00:31:53,030
last summer so it's been under

702
00:31:57,490 --> 00:31:55,700
investigation it's gonna be pretty soon

703
00:32:00,430 --> 00:31:57,500
we'll be a century it's coming up pretty

704
00:32:03,660 --> 00:32:00,440
quick so now a conventional

705
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:03,670
archaeologists state that there's

706
00:32:08,500 --> 00:32:06,559
nothing unusual about this site or any

707
00:32:12,130 --> 00:32:08,510
of the other ones that you know people

708
00:32:15,220 --> 00:32:12,140
have pointed out what is their what is

709
00:32:17,470 --> 00:32:15,230
their reasoning you know why would they

710
00:32:20,590 --> 00:32:17,480
look at this and say nothing to see here

711
00:32:22,690 --> 00:32:20,600
folks you know what are they saying

712
00:32:25,450 --> 00:32:22,700
about it that you know I mean that you

713
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:25,460
know that that doesn't float their boat

714
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:31,130
so to speak well you know no explorers

715
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:34,370
before Columbus was a kind of an acronym

716
00:32:38,620 --> 00:32:36,320
that was brought up by Samuel Eliot

717
00:32:39,820 --> 00:32:38,630
Morrison the great naval historian felt

718
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:39,830
that there were no explorers before

719
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:42,770
Columbus he died 1976 in the Viking

720
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:44,960
settlement up in Lonzo meadow Canada was

721
00:32:50,350 --> 00:32:48,320
identified in 1960 so who did say well

722
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:50,360
maybe the Vikings you know came he kind

723
00:32:52,990 --> 00:32:51,650
of backtracked a little bit he said the

724
00:32:55,390 --> 00:32:53,000
Vikings came but they left really no

725
00:32:57,220 --> 00:32:55,400
impact so it was not of any consequence

726
00:32:59,560 --> 00:32:57,230
and anybody else coming over before that

727
00:33:01,720 --> 00:32:59,570
were not of any consequence either so

728
00:33:04,299 --> 00:33:01,730
basically combis gets all the crap

729
00:33:05,500 --> 00:33:04,309
so these chambers and today like I

730
00:33:06,940 --> 00:33:05,510
mentioned we know hundreds of them in

731
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:06,950
the Northeast and they actually stretch

732
00:33:11,529 --> 00:33:09,289
out across the landscape should not

733
00:33:13,149 --> 00:33:11,539
really be here because ancient man and

734
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:13,159
the Northeast weren't supposed to be

735
00:33:17,289 --> 00:33:14,960
building stone ruins like what we have

736
00:33:18,970 --> 00:33:17,299
up on our site so some of the mainstream

737
00:33:20,830 --> 00:33:18,980
think the sites like you mentioned

738
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:20,840
earlier in your talk about being root

739
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:22,490
cellars these don't really look like

740
00:33:27,250 --> 00:33:24,799
root cellars and generally root cellars

741
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:27,260
are in basements not always but inside

742
00:33:31,149 --> 00:33:29,360
of basements clay floors and they have

743
00:33:32,860 --> 00:33:31,159
ventilation and they say 90% of the

744
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:32,870
chambers in New England do not have

745
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:35,090
ventilation and they usually built on

746
00:33:41,529 --> 00:33:37,970
bedrock and I worked in a farm back in

747
00:33:43,060 --> 00:33:41,539
1969 and they had a Monday kind of a

748
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:43,070
root cellar for keeping the vegetables

749
00:33:47,139 --> 00:33:44,960
cold made out of concrete was like a big

750
00:33:49,570 --> 00:33:47,149
bunker and it doesn't look like our site

751
00:33:51,549 --> 00:33:49,580
at all and it was a family that moved

752
00:33:54,190 --> 00:33:51,559
there in the bought a piece of the land

753
00:33:55,779 --> 00:33:54,200
and actually 1734 part of the hill and

754
00:33:57,879 --> 00:33:55,789
ten years later they bought another

755
00:34:00,190 --> 00:33:57,889
piece of the property which included

756
00:34:01,810 --> 00:34:00,200
this part of the stone ruins and so

757
00:34:04,299 --> 00:34:01,820
they're given credit for building this

758
00:34:05,769 --> 00:34:04,309
site the name with the paddy family and

759
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:05,779
actually there are five generations of

760
00:34:09,550 --> 00:34:07,250
shoemakers they did some domestic

761
00:34:11,559 --> 00:34:09,560
farming on the side but primarily they

762
00:34:13,149 --> 00:34:11,569
were shoemakers and when you look at the

763
00:34:14,379 --> 00:34:13,159
site I lived on the farm in Vermont for

764
00:34:16,149 --> 00:34:14,389
three years when I began my flying

765
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:16,159
career up near Rutland and North

766
00:34:19,569 --> 00:34:18,050
Clarendon Vermont and I looked at Halle

767
00:34:20,109 --> 00:34:19,579
farms up there and I grew up in Derry

768
00:34:22,210 --> 00:34:20,119
New Hampshire

769
00:34:24,190 --> 00:34:22,220
you know only eight miles away right

770
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:24,200
next to a farm actually three farms

771
00:34:28,210 --> 00:34:26,210
right around our house and I always said

772
00:34:30,010 --> 00:34:28,220
this place does not look like a farm and

773
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:30,020
the patties were shoemakers it doesn't

774
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:31,490
look like a shoe shop I had a couple

775
00:34:35,710 --> 00:34:33,169
grandparents that used to look working

776
00:34:38,169 --> 00:34:35,720
shoe shops and some people say well the

777
00:34:39,550 --> 00:34:38,179
sacrificial table was a site of press it

778
00:34:40,780 --> 00:34:39,560
really doesn't look like a SCYTL mill

779
00:34:43,149 --> 00:34:40,790
and there's no archaeological evidence

780
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:43,159
supporting that whatsoever the nearest

781
00:34:47,290 --> 00:34:45,169
apple orchard was over half a mile down

782
00:34:49,329 --> 00:34:47,300
the hill but akka logically there's

783
00:34:50,619 --> 00:34:49,339
nothing on the property that was found

784
00:34:52,780 --> 00:34:50,629
that would indicate that the paddy

785
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:52,790
family had a cider mill operation up

786
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:55,129
there or that the table was a life stone

787
00:34:59,859 --> 00:34:57,290
for making soap the table is about nine

788
00:35:02,500 --> 00:34:59,869
by six feet away is about four and a

789
00:35:04,059 --> 00:35:02,510
half tons and usually a lie stone I've

790
00:35:06,339 --> 00:35:04,069
seen him in a couple museums I could

791
00:35:08,890 --> 00:35:06,349
pick one out the only about 36 to 40

792
00:35:10,660 --> 00:35:08,900
inches across but an inch thick and have

793
00:35:12,370 --> 00:35:10,670
a very shallow groove where the barrel

794
00:35:14,740 --> 00:35:12,380
would sit above put the ashes in there

795
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:14,750
pour water take that solution mix it

796
00:35:17,470 --> 00:35:15,650
with with

797
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:17,480
the animal fat and you make soap out of

798
00:35:21,310 --> 00:35:19,490
it but our table doesn't really look

799
00:35:23,170 --> 00:35:21,320
like that you know but that's what

800
00:35:25,150 --> 00:35:23,180
mainstream is called it a big root

801
00:35:28,810 --> 00:35:25,160
cellar I guess you know you as you were

802
00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:28,820
mentioning earlier mm-hmm okay well tell

803
00:35:35,260 --> 00:35:31,730
us some a do you know what are some of

804
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:35,270
the weights of some of the largest

805
00:35:42,970 --> 00:35:38,960
stones on the site yeah the rock is

806
00:35:46,300 --> 00:35:42,980
granite and it weighs about 163 pounds

807
00:35:48,970 --> 00:35:46,310
per cubic foot and it is the bedrock is

808
00:35:51,790 --> 00:35:48,980
foliated and this site is actually built

809
00:35:54,070 --> 00:35:51,800
on an earthquake fault line the clinton

810
00:35:56,020 --> 00:35:54,080
newberry fault line which runs out to

811
00:35:57,460 --> 00:35:56,030
the atlantic ocean I think out near Cape

812
00:36:00,880 --> 00:35:57,470
May and then it heads down into

813
00:36:02,140 --> 00:36:00,890
Connecticut eventually but so that's

814
00:36:03,490 --> 00:36:02,150
kind of interesting the whole hill is

815
00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:03,500
actually split right in half and you can

816
00:36:06,850 --> 00:36:04,640
go up there today and see where the

817
00:36:09,310 --> 00:36:06,860
whole the whole thing is cracked right

818
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:09,320
across the entire you know surface which

819
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:11,930
is kind of neat but some of the biggest

820
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:13,370
stuff you can just take the dimensions

821
00:36:18,430 --> 00:36:15,890
you know with the height the width in

822
00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:18,440
the in the length of the stone and then

823
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:19,910
just multiply it out and you come out

824
00:36:23,740 --> 00:36:21,290
pretty close to what the weight of the

825
00:36:25,390 --> 00:36:23,750
stone is and the chamber in ruins for

826
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:25,400
instance has a big stone that has fallen

827
00:36:29,830 --> 00:36:27,650
into the chamber with a lintel spell and

828
00:36:31,330 --> 00:36:29,840
the lintel weighs close to a thousand

829
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:31,340
pounds it was just kind of the header

830
00:36:35,650 --> 00:36:33,920
over the door that collapsed with a with

831
00:36:37,930 --> 00:36:35,660
a big slab on top of it which weighs

832
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:37,940
between six and seven thousand pounds

833
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:40,130
you know we estimated and we didn't

834
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:42,170
actually put it on a scale but so a lot

835
00:36:46,180 --> 00:36:43,760
of the roof slabs weigh you know three

836
00:36:47,770 --> 00:36:46,190
four five tons there's one next to it

837
00:36:50,530 --> 00:36:47,780
actually it's even bigger so that one's

838
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:50,540
probably about between six and eight

839
00:36:55,140 --> 00:36:53,090
thousand pounds still a pretty good

840
00:36:57,190 --> 00:36:55,150
amount of weight you know to move around

841
00:36:59,560 --> 00:36:57,200
and the thought is they might have used

842
00:37:02,050 --> 00:36:59,570
some simple machinery but that's a

843
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:02,060
theory you know log rollers levers and

844
00:37:05,110 --> 00:37:03,410
climb planes that were at that kind of

845
00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:05,120
thing that's you know a theory of how

846
00:37:08,170 --> 00:37:06,110
they might have moved them we weren't

847
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:08,180
there to actually of course watch these

848
00:37:13,660 --> 00:37:10,400
people do this so we don't really know

849
00:37:15,730 --> 00:37:13,670
their their technique well okay well

850
00:37:17,710 --> 00:37:15,740
that's that that was my point wanting to

851
00:37:20,830 --> 00:37:17,720
know you know about the the weight of

852
00:37:23,890 --> 00:37:20,840
some of these stones because if you know

853
00:37:25,570 --> 00:37:23,900
you were farmers you know just you and

854
00:37:29,660 --> 00:37:25,580
your family you know maybe a neighbor or

855
00:37:33,230 --> 00:37:29,670
two you're not gonna go in quarry five

856
00:37:37,450 --> 00:37:33,240
and stones to be used for root cellar or

857
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:37,460
a live press or what have you

858
00:37:41,839 --> 00:37:39,930
right yeah I mean New England is just

859
00:37:42,980 --> 00:37:41,849
full of rocks and the last thing you

860
00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:42,990
really want to do unless you need a

861
00:37:48,170 --> 00:37:45,599
specific rock a flat rock for a doorstep

862
00:37:50,329 --> 00:37:48,180
or like I say a life stone is to go out

863
00:37:53,089 --> 00:37:50,339
and quarry stone it's kind of foolhardy

864
00:37:54,650 --> 00:37:53,099
to do that rocks are just everywhere in

865
00:37:56,420 --> 00:37:54,660
fact that's one of the reasons they made

866
00:38:00,170 --> 00:37:56,430
walls in New Hampshire I think starting

867
00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:00,180
in the 1700s is to clear fields of rocks

868
00:38:05,059 --> 00:38:02,640
to build stock fences and boundaries and

869
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:05,069
sometimes all three purposes for the

870
00:38:09,890 --> 00:38:07,200
wall worth what I just mentioned you

871
00:38:11,780 --> 00:38:09,900
know and these a linear walls they're

872
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:11,790
made out of a lot of round field stones

873
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:14,160
but the stone walls you see at our site

874
00:38:17,150 --> 00:38:15,930
all around and we're starting to clear

875
00:38:19,220 --> 00:38:17,160
em out so you can actually see the

876
00:38:21,460 --> 00:38:19,230
thousands of feet of walls it contained

877
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:21,470
very very large flat pieces of stone

878
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:23,760
they've been referred to as fractured

879
00:38:27,710 --> 00:38:26,490
stone and this is manufactured by man so

880
00:38:30,289 --> 00:38:27,720
somebody went to the trouble of actually

881
00:38:32,210 --> 00:38:30,299
lifting up bedrock and then building

882
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:32,220
somebody stone walls my dad had noticed

883
00:38:36,140 --> 00:38:34,530
noticed it pretty much back when he

884
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:36,150
started back in the 50s he goes you know

885
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:38,010
the wall surrounding the site even

886
00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:39,359
though they hidden by all the forest

887
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:41,250
trees and brush if you look at them

888
00:38:45,319 --> 00:38:43,440
closely you see there's a lot of flat

889
00:38:46,849 --> 00:38:45,329
slabs in them you know the stood up you

890
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:46,859
know in their side we call them ortho

891
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:48,960
stats and some of them are horizontal

892
00:38:52,010 --> 00:38:50,490
and some nurse stood on their end and

893
00:38:54,170 --> 00:38:52,020
the ones that were stood on an upright

894
00:38:56,180 --> 00:38:54,180
turned out to be the alignments of the

895
00:38:59,240 --> 00:38:56,190
Sun women stars which we started working

896
00:39:00,859 --> 00:38:59,250
on in 1967 so before that we knew the

897
00:39:03,260 --> 00:39:00,869
stones were out there mr. glutton back

898
00:39:04,910 --> 00:39:03,270
in the 30s was aware of that too because

899
00:39:06,589 --> 00:39:04,920
we had no idea what their function was

900
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:06,599
other than there's these odd stones

901
00:39:10,789 --> 00:39:08,400
standing upright that takes a lot of

902
00:39:11,900 --> 00:39:10,799
work you know the quarry ax and again

903
00:39:13,730 --> 00:39:11,910
farmers weren't a waste of their time

904
00:39:16,220 --> 00:39:13,740
you know they're just trying to make a

905
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:16,230
living and clear their fields of rocks

906
00:39:19,940 --> 00:39:18,210
and usually you like I say their field

907
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:19,950
stones and so you can really see the

908
00:39:25,039 --> 00:39:21,690
difference between historic walls and

909
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:25,049
what we call prehistoric walls now now

910
00:39:30,309 --> 00:39:27,599
does your your Stonehenge do you think

911
00:39:33,470 --> 00:39:30,319
that it was constructed by the same

912
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:33,480
group that built the Stonehenge in

913
00:39:38,990 --> 00:39:36,480
England that question comes up all the

914
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:39,000
time it's been on I bet it - yeah yeah

915
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:40,650
yeah it really does you know

916
00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:42,250
functionally it's the same

917
00:39:46,530 --> 00:39:44,710
I would say what a lot of our

918
00:39:48,510 --> 00:39:46,540
researchers feel that the stone

919
00:39:50,970 --> 00:39:48,520
structures in Spain and Portugal and

920
00:39:53,970 --> 00:39:50,980
even Ireland and some in Scotland more

921
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:53,980
look much more like our stones in our

922
00:39:59,010 --> 00:39:56,290
site and other New England structures

923
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:59,020
too then Stonehenge itself but

924
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:00,720
Stonehenge is part of that megalithic

925
00:40:06,090 --> 00:40:03,130
Neolithic going into the Bronze Age and

926
00:40:07,380 --> 00:40:06,100
they come the they have divided into

927
00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:07,390
three different phases of his of

928
00:40:11,370 --> 00:40:09,040
Stonehenge so our site was built we

929
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:11,380
think about 4000 years ago and that

930
00:40:14,970 --> 00:40:13,510
would have been like at the third stage

931
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:14,980
of Stonehenge you know towards the end

932
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:17,290
building not the beginning though the

933
00:40:21,150 --> 00:40:19,090
beginning stats are I believe around

934
00:40:22,740 --> 00:40:21,160
5,000 years ago is the best guess at

935
00:40:25,620 --> 00:40:22,750
this time with the evidence they have

936
00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:25,630
but not directly probably the same

937
00:40:30,330 --> 00:40:27,310
people but that culture that was spread

938
00:40:33,240 --> 00:40:30,340
across Western Europe the structures are

939
00:40:35,610 --> 00:40:33,250
missing or it may be maybe somebody

940
00:40:39,660 --> 00:40:35,620
passing by the Stonehenge in England

941
00:40:41,420 --> 00:40:39,670
said hmm when we go to America let's put

942
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:41,430
up something guess similar to this

943
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:47,530
inspired by it perhaps yeah you know

944
00:40:51,450 --> 00:40:49,330
they could have been related and I think

945
00:40:54,050 --> 00:40:51,460
these people traveled a lot further in

946
00:40:59,610 --> 00:40:54,060
you know back in time and also further

947
00:41:03,150 --> 00:40:59,620
geographically you know that is the damn

948
00:41:05,370 --> 00:41:03,160
the truth you talk about as you know as

949
00:41:07,890 --> 00:41:05,380
science in archaeology trying to hide

950
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:07,900
the fact yeah I mean are they trying to

951
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:10,690
hide it is it out of ignorance or is it

952
00:41:15,930 --> 00:41:12,610
for some other reason I mean to keep

953
00:41:18,330 --> 00:41:15,940
their jobs or or to show that they know

954
00:41:22,380 --> 00:41:18,340
more than ancient man did I mean why

955
00:41:23,550 --> 00:41:22,390
this is a great concealment boy that's a

956
00:41:24,990 --> 00:41:23,560
that's a that's a million-dollar

957
00:41:29,070 --> 00:41:25,000
question you know we've always wondered

958
00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:29,080
why if their objective scientists 684

959
00:41:38,940 --> 00:41:37,800
that's a great question though I don't

960
00:41:40,770 --> 00:41:38,950
know if they've written you know they've

961
00:41:42,570 --> 00:41:40,780
written the history books and you know

962
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:42,580
some people stake their whole careers on

963
00:41:46,530 --> 00:41:45,130
a certain you know belief you know the

964
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:46,540
way things were you know with our

965
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:49,090
history and and I know history in our

966
00:41:54,830 --> 00:41:51,040
schools you know it's not really being

967
00:41:56,220 --> 00:41:54,840
emphasized you know maybe 1492 1620s

968
00:41:58,380 --> 00:41:56,230
1776

969
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:58,390
and you get before 1492 and they don't

970
00:42:01,620 --> 00:42:00,160
really discuss it they go back if they

971
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:01,630
do they go to Western Europe and they

972
00:42:06,210 --> 00:42:04,570
talk about that but we have a we have

973
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:06,220
these megalithic sites across the

974
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:07,839
Northeast and some going all the way out

975
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:09,520
to Colorado as I mentioned and maybe

976
00:42:14,730 --> 00:42:12,640
I'll be Alabama but we had something

977
00:42:16,829 --> 00:42:14,740
like over 200 thousand mounds today

978
00:42:18,750 --> 00:42:16,839
across North America most of them are

979
00:42:21,300 --> 00:42:18,760
pyramid so made geometric as you know

980
00:42:22,859 --> 00:42:21,310
and some are shaped like ant like effigy

981
00:42:25,380 --> 00:42:22,869
mounds like serpent like Serpent Mound

982
00:42:26,970 --> 00:42:25,390
out in Ohio they may have been a million

983
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:26,980
miles at one time and when I grew up in

984
00:42:30,300 --> 00:42:28,570
school I didn't hear about one of them

985
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:30,310
you know and I only knew about AA site

986
00:42:34,589 --> 00:42:32,800
because we owned it and I mean this even

987
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:34,599
those geoglyphs like the ones in Peru

988
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:38,079
when the Nazca lines out on the Colorado

989
00:42:43,290 --> 00:42:40,720
River out in Blythe California not too

990
00:42:44,910 --> 00:42:43,300
far from Las Vegas this is a hundred and

991
00:42:47,819 --> 00:42:44,920
thirty of them and you know they look

992
00:42:49,290 --> 00:42:47,829
like the ones in Peru but nobody knows

993
00:42:51,150 --> 00:42:49,300
about them and I can I talk to a lot of

994
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:51,160
our visitors and we talk about this and

995
00:42:54,780 --> 00:42:52,960
like I never heard of that and I said

996
00:42:56,220 --> 00:42:54,790
well if I didn't work here I probably

997
00:42:58,319 --> 00:42:56,230
wouldn't know about these things either

998
00:42:59,730 --> 00:42:58,329
you know that because I'm interested in

999
00:43:01,589 --> 00:42:59,740
it because we meet so many people that

1000
00:43:03,210 --> 00:43:01,599
have seen some of these things but you

1001
00:43:07,740 --> 00:43:03,220
won't get it out to get schoolbooks I

1002
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:07,750
mean that's kind of sad so there's no

1003
00:43:13,470 --> 00:43:11,200
there's no indication that American

1004
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:13,480
Stonehenge and some of the other sites

1005
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:16,690
across New England were built by say the

1006
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:19,680
Native Americans did they work in stone

1007
00:43:25,470 --> 00:43:22,240
that is another that's another big thing

1008
00:43:27,329 --> 00:43:25,480
too I grew up you know what Iowa's heard

1009
00:43:29,460 --> 00:43:27,339
was Native Americans when they used

1010
00:43:31,170 --> 00:43:29,470
stone it was with tools utensils weapons

1011
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:31,180
that kind of thing something could hold

1012
00:43:35,130 --> 00:43:33,520
in your hand and our archaeologist has

1013
00:43:36,839 --> 00:43:35,140
been with us since 1989 was the

1014
00:43:38,609 --> 00:43:36,849
president New Hampshire Archaeological

1015
00:43:40,859 --> 00:43:38,619
Society in she thinks outside the box

1016
00:43:43,470 --> 00:43:40,869
you know she's open-minded she looks at

1017
00:43:44,940 --> 00:43:43,480
evidence you know she's not you know her

1018
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:44,950
mind already made up and closed-minded

1019
00:43:48,569 --> 00:43:47,290
she actually has to twist some of her

1020
00:43:50,609 --> 00:43:48,579
colleagues to get them kind of

1021
00:43:52,349 --> 00:43:50,619
interested in this too but I said your

1022
00:43:54,660 --> 00:43:52,359
colleagues you know to them an artifact

1023
00:43:56,849 --> 00:43:54,670
is something you hold in your hand you

1024
00:43:59,250 --> 00:43:56,859
know pots and Flint's you know it's not

1025
00:44:01,170 --> 00:43:59,260
these stone walls Carm standing stones

1026
00:44:03,150 --> 00:44:01,180
chambers they don't even look at these

1027
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:03,160
things but these are artifacts and I

1028
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:04,690
think it's part of the ancient past and

1029
00:44:08,490 --> 00:44:06,880
your question about Native American you

1030
00:44:09,740 --> 00:44:08,500
know they may have had a hand in this we

1031
00:44:11,089 --> 00:44:09,750
just don't know they may

1032
00:44:12,620 --> 00:44:11,099
had you know the question is did they

1033
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:12,630
have a hundred percent involvement with

1034
00:44:17,210 --> 00:44:15,119
our site and other northeast sites was

1035
00:44:19,310 --> 00:44:17,220
it some you know smaller about like 50

1036
00:44:20,810 --> 00:44:19,320
percent or were they not involved in all

1037
00:44:22,339 --> 00:44:20,820
you know we just don't know it

1038
00:44:23,930 --> 00:44:22,349
back in the 60s most people would say no

1039
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:23,940
the Native Americans weren't known to do

1040
00:44:28,070 --> 00:44:25,680
this kind of thing so it must be old

1041
00:44:30,620 --> 00:44:28,080
world but when I look at these chambers

1042
00:44:32,450 --> 00:44:30,630
I do see the old world megalithic style

1043
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:32,460
to them so I think there is an old-world

1044
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:34,890
connection to these these structures I

1045
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:36,330
think there's some involvement there you

1046
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:38,010
know in Native Americans may have given

1047
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:40,530
you know been part of it but so that's

1048
00:44:43,700 --> 00:44:41,970
changed a little bit you know Native

1049
00:44:46,070 --> 00:44:43,710
Americans we're definitely here maybe

1050
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:46,080
ten thousand years in new hampshire goes

1051
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:48,000
back to paleo you know just between ten

1052
00:44:51,950 --> 00:44:49,440
and twelve I guess just at the end of

1053
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:51,960
the Ice Age so that's something we don't

1054
00:44:55,940 --> 00:44:52,560
know

1055
00:44:58,940 --> 00:44:55,950
we really don't so you gave a possible

1056
00:45:02,720 --> 00:44:58,950
age of your site as bead would you say

1057
00:45:07,310 --> 00:45:02,730
about 4,000 years old how were you able

1058
00:45:12,380 --> 00:45:07,320
to come up with that figure yeah we've

1059
00:45:14,359 --> 00:45:12,390
done 12 carbon dating since 1966 and we

1060
00:45:17,780 --> 00:45:14,369
were dating in one case was a piece of

1061
00:45:19,790 --> 00:45:17,790
Route the others were charcoal and no we

1062
00:45:21,070 --> 00:45:19,800
don't date the stone using carbon dating

1063
00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:21,080
that's you know I don't you know that

1064
00:45:24,829 --> 00:45:23,250
question you know that but a lot of

1065
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:24,839
people going can you D they use other

1066
00:45:27,710 --> 00:45:26,400
methods I mean when you're dating stone

1067
00:45:29,150 --> 00:45:27,720
you're using other messages and it goes

1068
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:29,160
back hundreds of millions of years or

1069
00:45:33,710 --> 00:45:30,570
whatever for the age of the stone but

1070
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:33,720
but the charcoal it was the arrangement

1071
00:45:39,050 --> 00:45:36,810
of the stratigraphic layers next in in

1072
00:45:41,180 --> 00:45:39,060
one case we got three different datings

1073
00:45:43,130 --> 00:45:41,190
out of an area called the North Chamber

1074
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:43,140
I'm sorry the chamber in ruins the north

1075
00:45:48,260 --> 00:45:45,570
wall of that and it began a nineteen

1076
00:45:49,460 --> 00:45:48,270
that particular date was 1967 when we

1077
00:45:52,370 --> 00:45:49,470
got in there and we found a piece of

1078
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:52,380
root growing through a wall and we had

1079
00:45:56,930 --> 00:45:54,000
photographs of that stump there in the

1080
00:45:58,460 --> 00:45:56,940
1930s but it was so decayed in the 1930s

1081
00:46:00,829 --> 00:45:58,470
that they couldn't do tree ring dating

1082
00:46:03,650 --> 00:46:00,839
it was just rotted but they did estimate

1083
00:46:05,150 --> 00:46:03,660
its age by looking at the diameter and

1084
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:05,160
state of decay and they said well it's a

1085
00:46:09,620 --> 00:46:07,890
white pine and it probably was growing

1086
00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:09,630
there in the 1600 so that puts it back

1087
00:46:13,099 --> 00:46:11,730
before the Patti family the important

1088
00:46:14,780 --> 00:46:13,109
thing is the roots had penetrated

1089
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:14,790
through the structure you don't build a

1090
00:46:20,089 --> 00:46:17,130
chamber around the tree the tree grows

1091
00:46:22,430 --> 00:46:20,099
through the chamber and so by 1967 the

1092
00:46:23,660 --> 00:46:22,440
roots out the stump was pretty much gone

1093
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:23,670
but the

1094
00:46:26,809 --> 00:46:25,290
they dug into the wall and they were

1095
00:46:28,579 --> 00:46:26,819
hoping to find a piece of root and they

1096
00:46:30,020 --> 00:46:28,589
did they send it to geo chrome

1097
00:46:34,670 --> 00:46:30,030
laboratories in Cambridge Massachusetts

1098
00:46:36,380 --> 00:46:34,680
and the day came back 1690 ad so he knew

1099
00:46:38,089 --> 00:46:36,390
that was before the paddy family so

1100
00:46:39,289 --> 00:46:38,099
everybody all the mainstream see and all

1101
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:39,299
the patties built the whole thing

1102
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:41,520
well the chamber was there before the

1103
00:46:45,950 --> 00:46:43,290
paddy family you know and the root had

1104
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:45,960
grown through it before that time in

1105
00:46:49,490 --> 00:46:47,970
1969 they went down further and they

1106
00:46:50,990 --> 00:46:49,500
found they went quite a ways they didn't

1107
00:46:54,829 --> 00:46:51,000
really find anything for several inches

1108
00:46:56,990 --> 00:46:54,839
and also yet they have layers aid at the

1109
00:46:59,210 --> 00:46:57,000
top and then be a different color strata

1110
00:47:01,160 --> 00:46:59,220
and then see is the lore and it's kind

1111
00:47:02,900 --> 00:47:01,170
of a lighter soil and it was undisturbed

1112
00:47:05,930 --> 00:47:02,910
so nobody had disturb that which is

1113
00:47:09,710 --> 00:47:05,940
great and they found chocol and they

1114
00:47:11,059 --> 00:47:09,720
dated it to 3,000 years old in 71 they

1115
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:11,069
went down a little bit further and they

1116
00:47:15,410 --> 00:47:13,440
got 4,000 year old charcoal and in that

1117
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:15,420
mix they found a hammer stone rubbing

1118
00:47:19,549 --> 00:47:17,520
stone stone scraper and stone

1119
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:19,559
Spaulding's where somebody had been

1120
00:47:23,240 --> 00:47:21,119
doing what we call percussion flaking

1121
00:47:25,490 --> 00:47:23,250
and that's a technique you used to make

1122
00:47:27,740 --> 00:47:25,500
like Arrowhead stone knives stone hoes

1123
00:47:29,359 --> 00:47:27,750
it's a kind of a napping thing we just

1124
00:47:31,309 --> 00:47:29,369
strike the stone and little flakes fall

1125
00:47:33,410 --> 00:47:31,319
off it except they were doing that to

1126
00:47:35,420 --> 00:47:33,420
roof slabs and wall slabs on a very

1127
00:47:36,980 --> 00:47:35,430
grand scale and so all those little

1128
00:47:39,530 --> 00:47:36,990
flakes were left behind when they were

1129
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:39,540
dressing or shaping the stone below all

1130
00:47:44,059 --> 00:47:41,280
of that the bedrock had been removed and

1131
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:44,069
that was discovered in 1971 so they

1132
00:47:47,539 --> 00:47:46,079
removed all the bedrock that material is

1133
00:47:50,270 --> 00:47:47,549
used for the building of the structure

1134
00:47:52,430 --> 00:47:50,280
and then they built the wall up and then

1135
00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:52,440
the soil very slowly accumulated next to

1136
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:53,609
this wall and that's where they get the

1137
00:47:58,730 --> 00:47:56,880
to charcoal dates and they got piece of

1138
00:48:00,049 --> 00:47:58,740
Route things so all right I'm gonna have

1139
00:48:01,910 --> 00:48:00,059
to interrupt you here because we have to

1140
00:48:04,339 --> 00:48:01,920
go to our top of the hour break when we

1141
00:48:10,849 --> 00:48:04,349
come back more exploring the preserves

1142
00:48:18,809 --> 00:48:15,359
explore the bazaars or e-ticket ride

1143
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:18,819
into the world of the paranoid strap

1144
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:21,130
yourself England as we traverse the

1145
00:48:29,849 --> 00:48:25,440
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

1146
00:48:34,020 --> 00:48:29,859
ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology waters

1147
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:34,030
as well as other dimensions it's time to

1148
00:48:40,770 --> 00:48:38,530
take back the night now your

1149
00:48:47,539 --> 00:48:40,780
electrifying hosts of exploring the

1150
00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:49,859
welcome back to the second hour of

1151
00:48:54,980 --> 00:48:52,240
exploring the bizarre our guests tonight

1152
00:48:59,279 --> 00:48:54,990
have been a stone and Jim Willis and a

1153
00:49:02,309 --> 00:48:59,289
Jim I wanted to ask you now we were

1154
00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:02,319
talking a little bit in the last segment

1155
00:49:10,289 --> 00:49:07,119
before the break about you know the

1156
00:49:12,569 --> 00:49:10,299
possibility that the like Native

1157
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:12,579
Americans could have been responsible

1158
00:49:17,370 --> 00:49:15,609
for building america's stonehenge and

1159
00:49:20,490 --> 00:49:17,380
some of the other you know like stone

1160
00:49:22,319 --> 00:49:20,500
structures found across especially the

1161
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:22,329
east coast but other places as well

1162
00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:24,970
and so i mean what do you think about

1163
00:49:29,789 --> 00:49:26,079
that i mean you know is that a

1164
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:29,799
possibility you know I look beyond them

1165
00:49:34,319 --> 00:49:31,210
actually building the site because I'm

1166
00:49:37,319 --> 00:49:34,329
I'm pretty much convinced in my own mind

1167
00:49:41,839 --> 00:49:37,329
that this was built by Europeans um I

1168
00:49:43,260 --> 00:49:41,849
think it was built according to well

1169
00:49:45,930 --> 00:49:43,270
Farley Mowat

1170
00:49:47,940 --> 00:49:45,940
was you know who has written a book

1171
00:49:51,630 --> 00:49:47,950
called the far Ferrars before the

1172
00:49:54,539 --> 00:49:51,640
north's talks about a people who lived

1173
00:49:58,980 --> 00:49:54,549
on the west part of Europe Western

1174
00:50:00,539 --> 00:49:58,990
Europe and and Ireland Scotland Cornwall

1175
00:50:02,970 --> 00:50:00,549
Wales around in that area

1176
00:50:05,549 --> 00:50:02,980
and you find a lot of these kinds of

1177
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:05,559
stone structures that that look very

1178
00:50:08,910 --> 00:50:07,210
similar to the same kind of building

1179
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:08,920
techniques used at America's Stonehenge

1180
00:50:14,289 --> 00:50:12,640
and so it's his it was his idea when my

1181
00:50:17,380 --> 00:50:14,299
wife Barb and I were writing

1182
00:50:19,179 --> 00:50:17,390
one of our books Armageddon now we were

1183
00:50:23,279 --> 00:50:19,189
in touch with fairly Moab before he died

1184
00:50:25,449 --> 00:50:23,289
and it was his idea of course that

1185
00:50:26,890 --> 00:50:25,459
centuries before the Norse arrived in

1186
00:50:29,739 --> 00:50:26,900
North America matter of fact he would

1187
00:50:31,870 --> 00:50:29,749
place it about 4000 years ago these

1188
00:50:35,529 --> 00:50:31,880
enterprising hunters from the British

1189
00:50:38,679 --> 00:50:35,539
Isles followed the The Walrus IV trade

1190
00:50:40,660 --> 00:50:38,689
were tracking their prey westward to

1191
00:50:42,789 --> 00:50:40,670
what we now know as a Canadian Arctic in

1192
00:50:44,859 --> 00:50:42,799
Newfoundland and each year when the

1193
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:44,869
weather closed in what they would do

1194
00:50:48,999 --> 00:50:46,880
they would build stone foundations which

1195
00:50:50,709 --> 00:50:49,009
are still there except they were not

1196
00:50:52,269 --> 00:50:50,719
build as and not seen as house

1197
00:50:53,949 --> 00:50:52,279
foundations because there's no trees

1198
00:50:55,929 --> 00:50:53,959
around there and so they didn't know

1199
00:50:57,039 --> 00:50:55,939
what they were covered with well what

1200
00:50:58,900 --> 00:50:57,049
they did was they would build these

1201
00:51:00,189 --> 00:50:58,910
stone foundations and then roof them

1202
00:51:02,229 --> 00:51:00,199
over with their boats that were

1203
00:51:04,089 --> 00:51:02,239
overturned for the winter the boats

1204
00:51:06,279 --> 00:51:04,099
became the roof and the walls of these

1205
00:51:08,589 --> 00:51:06,289
structures and then with the arrival of

1206
00:51:10,959 --> 00:51:08,599
spring they returned with a full cargo

1207
00:51:13,779 --> 00:51:10,969
of ivory to sell back to the European

1208
00:51:15,219 --> 00:51:13,789
markets well I think you know these

1209
00:51:16,660 --> 00:51:15,229
these were the same kind of people

1210
00:51:18,130 --> 00:51:16,670
living in about the same time than

1211
00:51:20,410 --> 00:51:18,140
America's stonehenge was thing and it

1212
00:51:22,359 --> 00:51:20,420
would once you make your way past

1213
00:51:24,279 --> 00:51:22,369
Ireland and then into Greenland and then

1214
00:51:26,199 --> 00:51:24,289
Newfoundland and and down toward New

1215
00:51:29,620 --> 00:51:26,209
England it would only make sense that

1216
00:51:31,390 --> 00:51:29,630
they would come in and and carry that

1217
00:51:34,809 --> 00:51:31,400
kind of culture with them that kind of

1218
00:51:37,179 --> 00:51:34,819
stone culture but what gets me as the

1219
00:51:38,709 --> 00:51:37,189
Native Americans at the time didn't

1220
00:51:42,609 --> 00:51:38,719
build these kind of structures but they

1221
00:51:47,439 --> 00:51:42,619
must have been close and friendly with

1222
00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:47,449
these Western European settlers i I just

1223
00:51:53,319 --> 00:51:49,609
find it's a fascinating idea that two

1224
00:51:55,769 --> 00:51:53,329
totally different cultures can exist not

1225
00:52:00,519 --> 00:51:55,779
only side-by-side but answer actually

1226
00:52:02,169 --> 00:52:00,529
intermingle and and and get along with

1227
00:52:04,809 --> 00:52:02,179
each other in these days when we're out

1228
00:52:06,609 --> 00:52:04,819
they have all this these you know

1229
00:52:08,769 --> 00:52:06,619
cultural barriers and everything going

1230
00:52:10,479 --> 00:52:08,779
up I just find it's a fantastic thing

1231
00:52:12,699 --> 00:52:10,489
that these two cultures can live in

1232
00:52:14,919 --> 00:52:12,709
peace totally different worldviews

1233
00:52:16,630 --> 00:52:14,929
totally different ways of going on but

1234
00:52:18,759 --> 00:52:16,640
they seem to because there's no evidence

1235
00:52:20,859 --> 00:52:18,769
of that kind of warfare going on between

1236
00:52:23,140 --> 00:52:20,869
the two there's no idea of coming over

1237
00:52:25,660 --> 00:52:23,150
here to conquer I think they probably

1238
00:52:26,700 --> 00:52:25,670
were assimilated and of course that

1239
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:26,710
raises the whole

1240
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:28,240
and everybody always brings up they

1241
00:52:32,420 --> 00:52:30,370
think it's the Giant Killer well what

1242
00:52:35,580 --> 00:52:32,430
about DNA evidence welcome there's no

1243
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:35,590
European DNA evidence found in American

1244
00:52:39,570 --> 00:52:37,930
Indians but what we don't think about is

1245
00:52:41,460 --> 00:52:39,580
that very shortly after the first

1246
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:41,470
European fishermen started coming over

1247
00:52:47,930 --> 00:52:45,370
here way before the Vikings they brought

1248
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:47,940
European diseases with them as well and

1249
00:52:52,910 --> 00:52:50,410
before you know when the Pilgrims and

1250
00:52:56,970 --> 00:52:52,920
the Puritans by the time making vast

1251
00:52:59,670 --> 00:52:56,980
amounts of indigenous people had died to

1252
00:53:02,910 --> 00:52:59,680
these diseases and it had been killed in

1253
00:53:06,780 --> 00:53:02,920
across America in some cases fatalities

1254
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:06,790
numbering 90 percent 95 percent down in

1255
00:53:11,970 --> 00:53:10,330
Florida 98 percent of them died because

1256
00:53:14,250 --> 00:53:11,980
of these diseases that they had no

1257
00:53:15,540 --> 00:53:14,260
natural immunity to and so of course

1258
00:53:19,170 --> 00:53:15,550
that would that would do a number on

1259
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:19,180
your DNA testing the DNA of the the

1260
00:53:25,740 --> 00:53:22,000
modern indigenous people that we study

1261
00:53:28,050 --> 00:53:25,750
is his DNA that came after the fact so

1262
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:28,060
to speak when the people started coming

1263
00:53:32,130 --> 00:53:29,440
back into the area after these

1264
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:32,140
tremendous plagues and devastations so

1265
00:53:37,650 --> 00:53:34,930
I'm I'm just fascinated when I think

1266
00:53:38,970 --> 00:53:37,660
about America Stonehenge what it must

1267
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:38,980
have been like you put yourself back

1268
00:53:44,370 --> 00:53:42,400
into that area here's a Native American

1269
00:53:46,290 --> 00:53:44,380
standing up there watching these

1270
00:53:48,330 --> 00:53:46,300
Europeans doing their things of what he

1271
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:48,340
what are you doing and why and I'm

1272
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:51,370
wondering course as a professor of

1273
00:53:55,950 --> 00:53:53,920
comparative religion how they managed to

1274
00:53:59,010 --> 00:53:55,960
share and inter blend their religious

1275
00:54:01,470 --> 00:53:59,020
outlook their spirituality on life and I

1276
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:01,480
wonder what they taught each other and

1277
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:03,130
and this went on for thousands of years

1278
00:54:07,740 --> 00:54:06,370
so I just find it fascinating I think

1279
00:54:09,090 --> 00:54:07,750
it's something that we need to study a

1280
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:09,100
lot more about because it might give us

1281
00:54:15,180 --> 00:54:12,250
an insight into how different cultures

1282
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:15,190
can get along today rather than fight

1283
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:19,450
each other when we look at some of these

1284
00:54:29,250 --> 00:54:25,330
these really massive stones that were

1285
00:54:33,390 --> 00:54:29,260
used at American Stonehenge you know it

1286
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:33,400
seems to me that this was not you know

1287
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:35,970
like you had talked about you know the

1288
00:54:40,050 --> 00:54:38,170
when they came you know like up in

1289
00:54:41,730 --> 00:54:40,060
Newfoundland places like that you

1290
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:41,740
build a stone you know Foundation and

1291
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:44,170
then put the votes on top this was built

1292
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:47,290
to last this oh yeah this was built for

1293
00:54:52,110 --> 00:54:49,090
people who were going to be there for a

1294
00:54:55,530 --> 00:54:52,120
while yeah and and you know I have

1295
00:54:59,400 --> 00:54:55,540
another theory that that I have no idea

1296
00:55:01,650 --> 00:54:59,410
I I'm just beginning to set it and kind

1297
00:55:02,790 --> 00:55:01,660
of research it but when people came over

1298
00:55:04,410 --> 00:55:02,800
here

1299
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:04,420
of course it would have been a hard

1300
00:55:08,910 --> 00:55:06,130
journey across the North Sea and you're

1301
00:55:11,340 --> 00:55:08,920
talking about basically walrus hide

1302
00:55:15,030 --> 00:55:11,350
boats you know which were perfectly

1303
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:15,040
capable of making the journey as a

1304
00:55:19,890 --> 00:55:17,050
matter of fact in some ways they were

1305
00:55:22,530 --> 00:55:19,900
more seaworthy when the Roman craft when

1306
00:55:24,900 --> 00:55:22,540
when the Romans invaded England and when

1307
00:55:26,340 --> 00:55:24,910
they came to Ireland they they found

1308
00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:26,350
that the old Roman galleys couldn't

1309
00:55:31,650 --> 00:55:29,200
operate nearly as efficiently as these

1310
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:31,660
high ships that were built by the

1311
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:35,200
Western Europeans so when they came over

1312
00:55:40,110 --> 00:55:38,890
here I just can easily visualize them

1313
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:40,120
saying that you know this is a nice

1314
00:55:44,100 --> 00:55:42,370
place to stay and when they start their

1315
00:55:45,660 --> 00:55:44,110
way down the coastline they start making

1316
00:55:48,090 --> 00:55:45,670
their way south and the weather keeps

1317
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:48,100
getting better and they become this

1318
00:55:53,820 --> 00:55:50,050
first snowbirds to head from New England

1319
00:55:56,700 --> 00:55:53,830
down here toward Florida they built

1320
00:55:59,130 --> 00:55:56,710
these huge shell middens which are built

1321
00:56:01,470 --> 00:55:59,140
along the same design and in some of the

1322
00:56:04,050 --> 00:56:01,480
same areas as the stone structures that

1323
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:04,060
we find farther north circular shell

1324
00:56:07,530 --> 00:56:05,890
middens nobody knows who built and they

1325
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:07,540
know they're go back about 4,000 years

1326
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:10,720
they can carbon data and they know that

1327
00:56:13,530 --> 00:56:12,010
they were built when the sea levels were

1328
00:56:15,660 --> 00:56:13,540
much lower so we're talking about a

1329
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:15,670
people who came here and came down the

1330
00:56:19,340 --> 00:56:17,200
coastline four to five thousand years

1331
00:56:22,380 --> 00:56:19,350
ago we say well why did they use shells

1332
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:22,390
well in New England you've got a lot of

1333
00:56:26,700 --> 00:56:24,640
rocks down here in Florida and South

1334
00:56:28,670 --> 00:56:26,710
Carolina we don't have those kind of

1335
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:28,680
rocks you have to use what you have and

1336
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:31,210
they would build these these circular

1337
00:56:38,340 --> 00:56:34,690
shape middens not just trash heaps but

1338
00:56:40,500 --> 00:56:38,350
really structurally interesting mittens

1339
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:40,510
and as they come down here I imagine

1340
00:56:43,740 --> 00:56:41,920
some of the people were sent there you

1341
00:56:45,300 --> 00:56:43,750
know this is a nice place who wants to

1342
00:56:47,730 --> 00:56:45,310
go back up north where it's cold let's

1343
00:56:49,500 --> 00:56:47,740
just stay right here I have no idea that

1344
00:56:50,190 --> 00:56:49,510
I know no doubt that the whole eastern

1345
00:56:52,090 --> 00:56:50,200
seaboard

1346
00:56:54,220 --> 00:56:52,100
was a

1347
00:56:57,460 --> 00:56:54,230
not by some of these people and they

1348
00:56:59,050 --> 00:56:57,470
must have shared with the cultures who

1349
00:57:01,750 --> 00:56:59,060
were here the indigenous people who were

1350
00:57:03,460 --> 00:57:01,760
here and I think it was a totally

1351
00:57:05,710 --> 00:57:03,470
different experience than we had when

1352
00:57:07,450 --> 00:57:05,720
the Europeans came over after Columbus

1353
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:07,460
and they came over carrying their

1354
00:57:11,230 --> 00:57:09,170
weapons and they came over with the idea

1355
00:57:12,730 --> 00:57:11,240
of destruction I don't think it was that

1356
00:57:15,550 --> 00:57:12,740
way at the beginning I think it was a

1357
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:15,560
peaceful peaceful migration of people

1358
00:57:22,510 --> 00:57:18,890
just getting along with each other what

1359
00:57:24,850 --> 00:57:22,520
this point then so you have America's

1360
00:57:27,730 --> 00:57:24,860
Stone hands and then you have other

1361
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:27,740
locations as Dennis alluded to you know

1362
00:57:34,780 --> 00:57:31,850
up and down the East Coast so I mean

1363
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:34,790
this this would seem to show that there

1364
00:57:41,700 --> 00:57:37,760
was probably I don't want to say an

1365
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:41,710
extensive population but quite a few

1366
00:57:47,950 --> 00:57:44,930
people coming and going what happened to

1367
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:47,960
them why is it that then by the time you

1368
00:57:53,140 --> 00:57:51,050
know yeah I know Columbus didn't didn't

1369
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:53,150
make it up early into you know North

1370
00:57:57,370 --> 00:57:54,770
America but you know the other people

1371
00:57:59,110 --> 00:57:57,380
who who finally made it to the east

1372
00:58:02,200 --> 00:57:59,120
coast from Europe from the first time

1373
00:58:04,990 --> 00:58:02,210
found only a Native Americans what

1374
00:58:08,290 --> 00:58:05,000
happened to these you know original

1375
00:58:12,810 --> 00:58:08,300
Europeans some of it was probably

1376
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:12,820
climate change the the weather we had a

1377
00:58:19,300 --> 00:58:16,970
the when when the Norse were over in

1378
00:58:21,850 --> 00:58:19,310
iron in Iceland and in Greenland and

1379
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:21,860
what they call the Little Ice Age began

1380
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:25,250
and the populations just simply died out

1381
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:28,970
and and it it just became untenable the

1382
00:58:36,610 --> 00:58:30,890
weather and that probably drove some of

1383
00:58:40,900 --> 00:58:36,620
the MEC others I think there was a great

1384
00:58:42,940 --> 00:58:40,910
deal of Norse activity about a thousand

1385
00:58:44,950 --> 00:58:42,950
years ago that people were fleeing the

1386
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:44,960
Norse they came over here and they just

1387
00:58:47,550 --> 00:58:46,730
stopped going back because it was just

1388
00:58:49,870 --> 00:58:47,560
too dangerous

1389
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:49,880
all of the Western Europe and the

1390
00:58:56,530 --> 00:58:53,090
British Isles it was really a tough

1391
00:58:59,410 --> 00:58:56,540
tough time with the Viking the Viking

1392
00:59:01,540 --> 00:58:59,420
score John and I think people came over

1393
00:59:03,190 --> 00:59:01,550
here said why why go back there the the

1394
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:03,200
market for for

1395
00:59:07,809 --> 00:59:05,690
walrus tusks and ivory which brought

1396
00:59:10,420 --> 00:59:07,819
them over here in the first place the

1397
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:10,430
market for fishing it the markets dried

1398
00:59:15,130 --> 00:59:12,770
up the the trade routes were so

1399
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:15,140
disruptive because of the the pirating

1400
00:59:18,849 --> 00:59:17,210
that was going on and I think after a

1401
00:59:19,359 --> 00:59:18,859
generation or two of course you forget a

1402
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:19,369
lot

1403
00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:21,200
these were cultures that didn't have a

1404
00:59:25,359 --> 00:59:23,569
lot of written language and they just

1405
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:25,369
passed the thing no but you get two

1406
00:59:28,210 --> 00:59:26,930
generations of people born here in

1407
00:59:29,589 --> 00:59:28,220
America and they say I don't want to go

1408
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:29,599
back to the old country they just stayed

1409
00:59:33,490 --> 00:59:31,490
here and I think that we entered into

1410
00:59:35,650 --> 00:59:33,500
what kind of the Dark Age and when

1411
00:59:38,260 --> 00:59:35,660
Columbus sailed over here of course he

1412
00:59:40,839 --> 00:59:38,270
had maps we know that he had information

1413
00:59:44,020 --> 00:59:40,849
I know I I don't think there's any

1414
00:59:46,569 --> 00:59:44,030
question that a lot of a lot of what he

1415
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:46,579
said he was not a discovery of America

1416
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:48,650
it was a rediscovery of something that

1417
00:59:55,780 --> 00:59:51,970
earlier generations had had neglected

1418
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:55,790
yeah I had heard I've heard that you

1419
01:00:02,190 --> 00:59:57,530
know Columbus may have been ignorant

1420
01:00:06,309 --> 01:00:02,200
that there was a a landmass in between

1421
01:00:07,780 --> 01:00:06,319
Europe and Asia but that it was like you

1422
01:00:12,130 --> 01:00:07,790
know North and South America was

1423
01:00:14,230 --> 01:00:12,140
probably a what what would the term be

1424
01:00:18,099 --> 01:00:14,240
and not so he'll I'm not so best kept

1425
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:18,109
secrets well if you'll allow me to put

1426
01:00:22,180 --> 01:00:20,089
you you were nice enough to let me plug

1427
01:00:23,950 --> 01:00:22,190
my one book that's coming out this fall

1428
01:00:25,750 --> 01:00:23,960
I got another one coming out this fall -

1429
01:00:27,910 --> 01:00:25,760
you're a different a different publisher

1430
01:00:30,460 --> 01:00:27,920
this is from visible link and it

1431
01:00:32,530 --> 01:00:30,470
continues along the line of my two books

1432
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:32,540
that we talked about last couple of

1433
01:00:36,730 --> 01:00:33,770
times I've been with you folks

1434
01:00:39,130 --> 01:00:36,740
my first with them was ancient gods and

1435
01:00:42,940 --> 01:00:39,140
my second was supernatural gods and this

1436
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:42,950
fall in October it's in the book is in

1437
01:00:47,950 --> 01:00:45,770
production now but it is it's being sold

1438
01:00:50,049 --> 01:00:47,960
advance sales already through Amazon and

1439
01:00:52,650 --> 01:00:50,059
other book dealers it's called lost

1440
01:00:55,420 --> 01:00:52,660
civilizations the secret histories and

1441
01:00:57,819 --> 01:00:55,430
suppressed technologies of the Ancients

1442
01:01:00,539 --> 01:00:57,829
and I talk a lot about these lost

1443
01:01:02,740 --> 01:01:00,549
civilizations all around the world and

1444
01:01:06,910 --> 01:01:02,750
how they built up what how a

1445
01:01:08,740 --> 01:01:06,920
civilization rose how it fell and why

1446
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:08,750
and the different reasons everything

1447
01:01:15,820 --> 01:01:12,890
from warfare to civil design the

1448
01:01:19,150 --> 01:01:15,830
civilization breaking down internally

1449
01:01:21,810 --> 01:01:19,160
just because of the power politics and

1450
01:01:24,700 --> 01:01:21,820
all that kind of thing and also whether

1451
01:01:26,500 --> 01:01:24,710
climate change and how all this can take

1452
01:01:29,890 --> 01:01:26,510
a civilization and pretty well destroy

1453
01:01:32,020 --> 01:01:29,900
it and it's it's it's really fascinating

1454
01:01:35,950 --> 01:01:32,030
to find out how these things rise and

1455
01:01:38,350 --> 01:01:35,960
fall my bottom line after being involved

1456
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:38,360
with all this is that we are a much more

1457
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:41,570
ancient civilization we like to think we

1458
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:44,810
are we go way way back and much of what

1459
01:01:50,530 --> 01:01:47,330
we have experienced we have just simply

1460
01:01:53,620 --> 01:01:50,540
forgotten and don't want to bring it up

1461
01:01:55,150 --> 01:01:53,630
as Dennis said earlier history books are

1462
01:01:57,250 --> 01:01:55,160
written people don't want to rewrite

1463
01:02:00,430 --> 01:01:57,260
rewrite them and so there is a vast

1464
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:00,440
conspiracy of silence out there mmm no I

1465
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:03,050
definitely believe that Dennis let me

1466
01:02:16,870 --> 01:02:10,370
ask you now after hearing what what Jim

1467
01:02:21,460 --> 01:02:16,880
had to say have you the people who have

1468
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:21,470
worked at America's Stonehenge has

1469
01:02:30,270 --> 01:02:25,210
anybody uncovered anything that may

1470
01:02:32,860 --> 01:02:30,280
point to who may have been you know

1471
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:32,870
originally the you know the the original

1472
01:02:39,730 --> 01:02:36,890
builders of that site yeah they have

1473
01:02:41,650 --> 01:02:39,740
found some evidence not only at our site

1474
01:02:43,390 --> 01:02:41,660
but sites actually from north down

1475
01:02:45,310 --> 01:02:43,400
through Central and South America their

1476
01:02:48,100 --> 01:02:45,320
inscriptions I'm sure Jim's pretty aware

1477
01:02:51,310 --> 01:02:48,110
of hundreds and hundreds of inscriptions

1478
01:02:54,430 --> 01:02:51,320
have been found at our site dr. berry

1479
01:02:57,610 --> 01:02:54,440
fell quite controversial you know among

1480
01:03:00,670 --> 01:02:57,620
the mainstream but back in 1975 he first

1481
01:03:03,190 --> 01:03:00,680
visited our site and he we had already

1482
01:03:04,870 --> 01:03:03,200
found some stones back in 1964 and put

1483
01:03:06,490 --> 01:03:04,880
him on display as unknown markings

1484
01:03:08,530 --> 01:03:06,500
actually they came out of that structure

1485
01:03:10,750 --> 01:03:08,540
I mentioned called the chamber and ruins

1486
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:10,760
and there were three different stones

1487
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:12,490
that came out of that kind of triangular

1488
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:15,010
he took him back to Eiling ttan

1489
01:03:19,810 --> 01:03:17,090
Massachusetts he was a professor at

1490
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:19,820
Harvard University for 20 years and he

1491
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:23,090
examined them there and his um the

1492
01:03:27,970 --> 01:03:24,650
result of his study of them he said well

1493
01:03:29,410 --> 01:03:27,980
one was i iberian punic the other one

1494
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:29,420
was celtic Oh

1495
01:03:34,870 --> 01:03:32,450
and the other one was Libyan and he did

1496
01:03:37,270 --> 01:03:34,880
get a translation off the ogum and the

1497
01:03:39,790 --> 01:03:37,280
Phoenician writing but the Libyan was

1498
01:03:42,550 --> 01:03:39,800
kind of the stone was busted so he can

1499
01:03:44,050 --> 01:03:42,560
really get a full translation off but he

1500
01:03:46,750 --> 01:03:44,060
said the one that was Phoenician was

1501
01:03:48,970 --> 01:03:46,760
Iberian Punic our Phoenicians found in

1502
01:03:50,770 --> 01:03:48,980
Iberia or Spain and Portugal and it said

1503
01:03:53,410 --> 01:03:50,780
that that structure the chamber in ruins

1504
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:53,420
was a temple some temple dedicated to

1505
01:03:57,190 --> 01:03:55,370
Baal on behalf of the Canaanites because

1506
01:03:59,710 --> 01:03:57,200
the Phoenicians for the Canaanites and

1507
01:04:02,500 --> 01:03:59,720
the other one was a Celtic Ogham and it

1508
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:02,510
said one line plus two more lines which

1509
01:04:08,230 --> 01:04:06,050
means B and L insert the vowel there was

1510
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:08,240
no it was all consonants no vowels and

1511
01:04:12,190 --> 01:04:10,250
he said it was bel and as we kind of

1512
01:04:14,950 --> 01:04:12,200
identified that Bell and Bale or Baal

1513
01:04:16,990 --> 01:04:14,960
yeah in the Bible are the same and the

1514
01:04:19,780 --> 01:04:17,000
Celts and the Phoenicians were basically

1515
01:04:22,180 --> 01:04:19,790
the same Sun God and these markings have

1516
01:04:23,710 --> 01:04:22,190
been found all yell to Alberta Canada

1517
01:04:25,900 --> 01:04:23,720
and The Milk River they've been found

1518
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:25,910
all way down into Brazil and in between

1519
01:04:31,210 --> 01:04:28,610
in Georgia I mean Massachusetts Vermont

1520
01:04:32,950 --> 01:04:31,220
has probably the most inscriptions of

1521
01:04:35,830 --> 01:04:32,960
any of the Northeast sites they're just

1522
01:04:38,170 --> 01:04:35,840
they're just everywhere up there on the

1523
01:04:39,580 --> 01:04:38,180
on the standing stones the monoliths in

1524
01:04:42,220 --> 01:04:39,590
the structures on the roof of the

1525
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:42,230
structures Vermont has the greatest

1526
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:44,570
number of inscriptions I guess but

1527
01:04:48,700 --> 01:04:46,130
they're all over New England and New

1528
01:04:49,930 --> 01:04:48,710
York has them and everything so that

1529
01:04:52,180 --> 01:04:49,940
might be something that might identify

1530
01:04:54,130 --> 01:04:52,190
the people but our site would predate

1531
01:04:56,140 --> 01:04:54,140
the what is officially you know the

1532
01:04:58,780 --> 01:04:56,150
Phoenician time period they would go

1533
01:05:00,760 --> 01:04:58,790
back about I think 500 years before that

1534
01:05:02,890 --> 01:05:00,770
and so that creates a little bit of a

1535
01:05:04,060 --> 01:05:02,900
you know a problem who would who were

1536
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:04,070
these people I think they were just

1537
01:05:08,290 --> 01:05:06,410
Western European people coming over here

1538
01:05:10,090 --> 01:05:08,300
and eventually a later time the

1539
01:05:12,070 --> 01:05:10,100
Phoenicians were coming in that might be

1540
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:12,080
one of the you know the answers to that

1541
01:05:18,820 --> 01:05:16,010
problem you know that does could could

1542
01:05:22,630 --> 01:05:18,830
you talk about that that sight line the

1543
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:22,640
the equinox sight line that when you

1544
01:05:26,140 --> 01:05:24,050
carried it through I think your son to

1545
01:05:29,110 --> 01:05:26,150
the work carried it through and and

1546
01:05:31,870 --> 01:05:29,120
bisected the the truth on at Stonehenge

1547
01:05:34,690 --> 01:05:31,880
and went on to Lebanon the place where

1548
01:05:36,790 --> 01:05:34,700
the Phoenicians were sure yeah well he

1549
01:05:39,130 --> 01:05:36,800
that uh was in college at the time in

1550
01:05:41,170 --> 01:05:39,140
2012 and he was just taken wines out

1551
01:05:42,970 --> 01:05:41,180
from our site looking to see if other

1552
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:42,980
New England sites were aligned with

1553
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:44,210
and had done some of this work in the

1554
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:46,490
1970s but with Google Earth it's much

1555
01:05:50,319 --> 01:05:48,170
much easier I mean it's just amazing

1556
01:05:52,359 --> 01:05:50,329
what you can do with it but he took the

1557
01:05:56,289 --> 01:05:52,369
line across the as actually the summer

1558
01:05:57,970 --> 01:05:56,299
solstice sunrise alignment and he starts

1559
01:05:59,710 --> 01:05:57,980
that the astronomical center goes over

1560
01:06:01,660 --> 01:05:59,720
that stone that's asymmetrically shaped

1561
01:06:03,849 --> 01:06:01,670
and the stone is actually shaped to fit

1562
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:03,859
two Hills that are about five miles

1563
01:06:07,630 --> 01:06:06,170
distance they have kind of a notch it's

1564
01:06:09,609 --> 01:06:07,640
called the horizon feature and he's

1565
01:06:10,780 --> 01:06:09,619
found in some of the European sites like

1566
01:06:12,370 --> 01:06:10,790
up in Scotland there's a site called

1567
01:06:15,339 --> 01:06:12,380
Bella Croix it has the same kind of

1568
01:06:17,530 --> 01:06:15,349
thing Kendra in Scotland but these are

1569
01:06:19,750 --> 01:06:17,540
make beautiful alignments and you're

1570
01:06:22,359 --> 01:06:19,760
looking miles so you have a Forsyte a

1571
01:06:24,010 --> 01:06:22,369
back sight and you have the the hill or

1572
01:06:25,990 --> 01:06:24,020
the notch and then you have the object

1573
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:26,000
such as a Sun moon or perhaps a stock

1574
01:06:30,430 --> 01:06:28,210
and it makes for a very very long

1575
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:30,440
alignment much more accurate well he

1576
01:06:33,819 --> 01:06:31,730
just took that alignment and kept

1577
01:06:35,620 --> 01:06:33,829
traveling on that too he crossed when

1578
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:35,630
right across New England I went across

1579
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:38,930
Nova Scotia past Newfoundland he ended

1580
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:40,970
up on the other side over and turns out

1581
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:42,890
in England and he said gee that looks

1582
01:06:45,700 --> 01:06:44,450
like it goes you know in southern

1583
01:06:46,930 --> 01:06:45,710
England that looks interesting so he

1584
01:06:49,089 --> 01:06:46,940
changed his scale and as he kept

1585
01:06:51,220 --> 01:06:49,099
changing it noticing it was pretty close

1586
01:06:52,780 --> 01:06:51,230
to where he knew Stonehenge was and as

1587
01:06:54,309 --> 01:06:52,790
he kept you know he kept expanding a

1588
01:06:56,140 --> 01:06:54,319
scale else and their Stonehenge and the

1589
01:06:58,329 --> 01:06:56,150
line goes right through the lodge trial

1590
01:07:00,400 --> 01:06:58,339
Athan it was like wow that's that's

1591
01:07:01,780 --> 01:07:00,410
pretty amazing you know it was kind of

1592
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:01,790
when he told me about it you know I got

1593
01:07:06,130 --> 01:07:04,490
I got the hair stood up on my neck I'm

1594
01:07:07,930 --> 01:07:06,140
like wow that's you know even if it's a

1595
01:07:09,309 --> 01:07:07,940
coincidence that is pretty amazing you

1596
01:07:11,260 --> 01:07:09,319
know they have the right through the

1597
01:07:13,390 --> 01:07:11,270
center of that so the line eventually

1598
01:07:16,329 --> 01:07:13,400
was carried over and it goes go into the

1599
01:07:17,980 --> 01:07:16,339
the Phoenician coast and it goes close

1600
01:07:21,549 --> 01:07:17,990
to Beirut I think that's great near

1601
01:07:24,970 --> 01:07:21,559
Biblos but then it continues into the

1602
01:07:27,730 --> 01:07:24,980
Golan Heights and there's a the Israeli

1603
01:07:29,380 --> 01:07:27,740
Stonehenge the Giants wheel they call it

1604
01:07:32,410 --> 01:07:29,390
that's pretty amazing and it goes right

1605
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:32,420
through that also but it does go through

1606
01:07:37,569 --> 01:07:34,730
the Phoenician coast and it's just one

1607
01:07:39,789 --> 01:07:37,579
of those really really neat things we

1608
01:07:41,530 --> 01:07:39,799
have looked at other alignments there

1609
01:07:43,750 --> 01:07:41,540
the true-self Lima goes through an

1610
01:07:45,579 --> 01:07:43,760
effigy mound and and OPA Massachusetts a

1611
01:07:47,349 --> 01:07:45,589
great big turtle mound shaped like you

1612
01:07:50,260 --> 01:07:47,359
know it's made out of stone it's

1613
01:07:52,329 --> 01:07:50,270
probably about 50 60 feet across it's

1614
01:07:54,190 --> 01:07:52,339
like a very very large con if you will

1615
01:07:55,599 --> 01:07:54,200
but it's shaped like a turtle that

1616
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:55,609
alignment goes through that but if you

1617
01:07:58,540 --> 01:07:56,690
travel

1618
01:08:02,230 --> 01:07:58,550
continue and you end up in South America

1619
01:08:04,180 --> 01:08:02,240
it goes right by the Machu Picchu which

1620
01:08:07,089 --> 01:08:04,190
is cool and if the winter solstice

1621
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:07,099
sunset and you know these should be

1622
01:08:10,510 --> 01:08:08,930
tried by other people we I mean we've

1623
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:10,520
done it over and over and over again to

1624
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:12,530
our you know best ability and that

1625
01:08:16,209 --> 01:08:14,690
summer that winter solstice sunset

1626
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:16,219
actually goes through the moon pyramid

1627
01:08:20,769 --> 01:08:18,650
achieve achieve akan and I took the

1628
01:08:24,340 --> 01:08:20,779
equinox sunset and goes through Chaco

1629
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:24,350
Canyon and then the equinox sunrise goes

1630
01:08:29,229 --> 01:08:27,290
rises over the Canary Island pyramids so

1631
01:08:31,269 --> 01:08:29,239
there's a lot of kind of neat things

1632
01:08:32,499 --> 01:08:31,279
that were like wow you know and we'll

1633
01:08:33,820 --> 01:08:32,509
out Google Earth I don't know if we

1634
01:08:37,510 --> 01:08:33,830
could have you know have the time to do

1635
01:08:41,170 --> 01:08:37,520
all of that so there are have you had

1636
01:08:42,519 --> 01:08:41,180
any any any dowsers out there to see if

1637
01:08:44,110 --> 01:08:42,529
there's any kind of energy associated

1638
01:08:47,019 --> 01:08:44,120
with these lines rather than just

1639
01:08:51,970 --> 01:08:47,029
geographical sure yeah we had a thousand

1640
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:51,980
group I think it was 2017 is lady she's

1641
01:08:55,689 --> 01:08:54,170
out of a limb she's out of Westford mass

1642
01:08:57,370 --> 01:08:55,699
with a Westford Knight which is another

1643
01:08:59,019 --> 01:08:57,380
interesting thing Sir Henry Sinclair I

1644
01:09:01,570 --> 01:08:59,029
think you mentioned him Burleigh is that

1645
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:01,580
with his latest card anyway she's from

1646
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:03,170
that area and she's from limbs to mass

1647
01:09:07,329 --> 01:09:05,210
originally but she does she has a

1648
01:09:09,189 --> 01:09:07,339
thousand group but back in the 70s we

1649
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:09,199
had sig longeron I'm not sure if you're

1650
01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:13,690
familiar with sig oh you are oh yeah

1651
01:09:17,979 --> 01:09:15,920
yeah and I think he's in it been in

1652
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:17,989
England for gosh a couple decades now

1653
01:09:22,990 --> 01:09:20,810
but he came to our site many times in

1654
01:09:24,490 --> 01:09:23,000
the 70s and he brought anyway I guess he

1655
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:24,500
was a president of the Americas serve

1656
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:28,370
dowsing Association yes yeah yeah yeah

1657
01:09:33,130 --> 01:09:30,170
we have had these people and Francis

1658
01:09:35,410 --> 01:09:33,140
hitching John Mitchell and then 78 they

1659
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:35,420
did a map and they show the water lines

1660
01:09:41,380 --> 01:09:38,449
were some of our stone walls overlay the

1661
01:09:43,209 --> 01:09:41,390
water lines that they doused and the

1662
01:09:44,890 --> 01:09:43,219
alignment one of the big alignments is

1663
01:09:47,349 --> 01:09:44,900
the one is a summer solstice that goes

1664
01:09:48,490 --> 01:09:47,359
right over to Stonehenge when we just

1665
01:09:50,530 --> 01:09:48,500
mentioned that's one of the ones that

1666
01:09:52,599 --> 01:09:50,540
they were looking at in 78 and he had it

1667
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:52,609
highlighted on the map which I I only

1668
01:09:56,770 --> 01:09:54,890
found this hole up it's like a small

1669
01:09:58,060 --> 01:09:56,780
book they put together in 78 and I found

1670
01:09:59,770 --> 01:09:58,070
it like two years ago and my dad's

1671
01:10:01,930 --> 01:09:59,780
archives I'm like wow look at that

1672
01:10:04,959 --> 01:10:01,940
that's just what my son had found you

1673
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:04,969
know in 2012 so yeah yeah we've had that

1674
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:06,890
was there my dad found the first well

1675
01:10:10,569 --> 01:10:09,770
for our visitors center back in 1958 by

1676
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:10,579
dowsing for

1677
01:10:15,010 --> 01:10:13,489
so yeah he didn't know it's dowsing

1678
01:10:17,919 --> 01:10:15,020
worked or not but he tried it and it

1679
01:10:19,510 --> 01:10:17,929
worked you know so it's kind of a couple

1680
01:10:24,700 --> 01:10:19,520
of years ago I was asked to go over to

1681
01:10:26,530 --> 01:10:24,710
the Cornwall and speak to the parallel

1682
01:10:28,689 --> 01:10:26,540
community have put together a group and

1683
01:10:31,330 --> 01:10:28,699
they wanted me to talk about the the

1684
01:10:32,709 --> 01:10:31,340
basis of a lot of world religions and of

1685
01:10:35,109 --> 01:10:32,719
course while I was there I had to go to

1686
01:10:37,030 --> 01:10:35,119
Stonehenge and it was right after I had

1687
01:10:39,100 --> 01:10:37,040
learned about that sight line that you

1688
01:10:40,750 --> 01:10:39,110
were just talking about and so I was

1689
01:10:42,609 --> 01:10:40,760
able to stand right there at stone

1690
01:10:44,830 --> 01:10:42,619
Stonehenge and look right down where

1691
01:10:47,500 --> 01:10:44,840
that sight line would go and realize I

1692
01:10:50,109 --> 01:10:47,510
was looking right at you at the time it

1693
01:10:53,410 --> 01:10:50,119
was quite it up quite an amazing quite

1694
01:10:54,669 --> 01:10:53,420
an amazing thing yeah haha that is

1695
01:10:56,530 --> 01:10:54,679
pretty cool Wow

1696
01:10:59,220 --> 01:10:56,540
I'm sure we're gonna discover more these

1697
01:11:01,120 --> 01:10:59,230
things but that is pretty amazing yeah

1698
01:11:03,399 --> 01:11:01,130
alright gentlemen I'm gonna have to

1699
01:11:06,490 --> 01:11:03,409
interrupt you here because we are coming

1700
01:11:09,129 --> 01:11:06,500
up to our bottom of the hour break and

1701
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:09,139
when we come back we have a question

1702
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:13,250
from one of our listeners for Dennis so

1703
01:11:19,689 --> 01:11:16,250
we'll make everybody wait til after our

1704
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:19,699
breaks over with so I stay tuned tonight

1705
01:11:29,630 --> 01:11:22,610
we're talking with Dennis stone and Jim

1706
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:33,810
now back to exploring the bazaars with

1707
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:36,370
two of the most electrifying researchers

1708
01:11:45,900 --> 01:11:39,370
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy

1709
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:45,910
Rebecca Lee panting Swift's welcome back

1710
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:48,370
to the final segment of exploring the

1711
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:49,930
bazaar our guest tonight and Dennis

1712
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:53,650
stone and Jim Lois gentlemen we have a

1713
01:11:59,490 --> 01:11:57,010
question from Brian and Brian wants to

1714
01:12:02,610 --> 01:11:59,500
know he says that Stonehenge in England

1715
01:12:04,590 --> 01:12:02,620
had stones that had been moved miles to

1716
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:04,600
that site referring to the blue stones

1717
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:08,770
now in America stone heads I said that

1718
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:11,170
New England has a lot of granite says so

1719
01:12:16,380 --> 01:12:13,690
are the stones in America stone hands

1720
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:16,390
carved locally or were they moved from

1721
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:19,330
someplace else I think they are they

1722
01:12:22,590 --> 01:12:20,770
were lucky because they didn't have to

1723
01:12:24,510 --> 01:12:22,600
move them like miles like I think

1724
01:12:26,580 --> 01:12:24,520
assassins at Stonehenge came from about

1725
01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:26,590
20-something miles away at Marlborough

1726
01:12:30,930 --> 01:12:28,960
Downs and others came from Ireland I

1727
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:30,940
think blue stones came from Ireland but

1728
01:12:34,260 --> 01:12:32,770
yeah they they quarried the top of the

1729
01:12:36,689 --> 01:12:34,270
hill and at the time the hilltop was

1730
01:12:38,550 --> 01:12:36,699
pretty bare mostly just bare bedrock so

1731
01:12:41,610 --> 01:12:38,560
they would send out crews looking for

1732
01:12:43,770 --> 01:12:41,620
ideal places to to actually lift up the

1733
01:12:45,689 --> 01:12:43,780
bedrock it is foliated this bedrock must

1734
01:12:47,370 --> 01:12:45,699
come up like an onion layer and it does

1735
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:47,380
come up and they would raise a stone

1736
01:12:50,189 --> 01:12:48,850
they would prop it with another stone

1737
01:12:51,780 --> 01:12:50,199
and then they would start hammering it

1738
01:12:54,570 --> 01:12:51,790
to shape it and then they would drag it

1739
01:12:56,250 --> 01:12:54,580
the biggest stones probably one of the

1740
01:12:58,140 --> 01:12:56,260
biggest roof slabs that was never moved

1741
01:13:00,030 --> 01:12:58,150
it was just raised probably would weigh

1742
01:13:01,620 --> 01:13:00,040
something like about five tonnes and

1743
01:13:03,330 --> 01:13:01,630
it's still about a thousand feet from

1744
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:03,340
the main site it's been raised up

1745
01:13:07,050 --> 01:13:05,290
dropped and you can see where it has a

1746
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:07,060
serrated edge where they were striking

1747
01:13:10,590 --> 01:13:08,530
it with their percussion flaking and

1748
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:10,600
they never moved it and we found about

1749
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:12,850
33 of these stones all over the hilltop

1750
01:13:17,729 --> 01:13:15,010
most of them just in the last two years

1751
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:17,739
the first one in 1982 but when I retired

1752
01:13:21,420 --> 01:13:19,690
we started finding more of them and I

1753
01:13:24,330 --> 01:13:21,430
think the site was gonna be a much

1754
01:13:25,050 --> 01:13:24,340
bigger construction and they were still

1755
01:13:26,490 --> 01:13:25,060
working on it

1756
01:13:27,930 --> 01:13:26,500
because all these stones were all over

1757
01:13:30,689 --> 01:13:27,940
the landscape and we keep discovering

1758
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:30,699
more of these big prop stones and they

1759
01:13:34,110 --> 01:13:32,530
just abandon the project which it kind

1760
01:13:35,430 --> 01:13:34,120
of struck me and about two years ago I

1761
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:35,440
said I think they had a much grander

1762
01:13:38,850 --> 01:13:37,330
plan and they walked away for this and

1763
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:38,860
then it raised a question why would they

1764
01:13:43,060 --> 01:13:39,530
why would they

1765
01:13:45,190 --> 01:13:43,070
stones are pretty local yeah they didn't

1766
01:13:50,050 --> 01:13:45,200
have to go 20 or 200 miles away to get

1767
01:13:52,990 --> 01:13:50,060
them can you imagine how much more we

1768
01:13:56,230 --> 01:13:53,000
would know if America stonehenge hadn't

1769
01:13:58,480 --> 01:13:56,240
been plundered so much for the last 200

1770
01:14:00,310 --> 01:13:58,490
years by people who were taking out

1771
01:14:03,100 --> 01:14:00,320
stones to build buildings and stones to

1772
01:14:05,530 --> 01:14:03,110
build roads and just kind of raping of

1773
01:14:07,300 --> 01:14:05,540
the place so to speak can you imagine

1774
01:14:11,440 --> 01:14:07,310
how much we would learn if that site was

1775
01:14:15,340 --> 01:14:11,450
pristine Wow well Dennis you make an

1776
01:14:18,940 --> 01:14:15,350
interesting point though that something

1777
01:14:21,580 --> 01:14:18,950
happened that they abandoned the the

1778
01:14:24,790 --> 01:14:21,590
building and you know a group like that

1779
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:24,800
usually doesn't you know walk just put

1780
01:14:29,350 --> 01:14:26,330
their tools down and walk away for no

1781
01:14:32,980 --> 01:14:29,360
reason so something probably bad had to

1782
01:14:35,140 --> 01:14:32,990
have happened it seems like it came to

1783
01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:35,150
an end yeah cuz originally thought maybe

1784
01:14:40,180 --> 01:14:37,760
the site was completed perhaps and then

1785
01:14:41,470 --> 01:14:40,190
eventually abandoned after like so many

1786
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:41,480
sites around the world there eventually

1787
01:14:45,340 --> 01:14:43,010
you abandoned you know for whatever

1788
01:14:46,930 --> 01:14:45,350
reason but it looks like they had a like

1789
01:14:49,660 --> 01:14:46,940
I say they were still in the middle of a

1790
01:14:51,340 --> 01:14:49,670
building project and then it it came to

1791
01:14:53,230 --> 01:14:51,350
a stop so that's kind of a kind of

1792
01:14:55,390 --> 01:14:53,240
interesting question you know what

1793
01:14:58,870 --> 01:14:55,400
happened to these people I suppose we

1794
01:15:01,990 --> 01:14:58,880
could we could probably you know

1795
01:15:03,340 --> 01:15:02,000
postulate that the site was a long time

1796
01:15:06,250 --> 01:15:03,350
in the making there wasn't just one

1797
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:06,260
generation but perhaps many generations

1798
01:15:10,870 --> 01:15:07,970
of people were building and adding on

1799
01:15:13,330 --> 01:15:10,880
and then we just can't discount that

1800
01:15:15,370 --> 01:15:13,340
whole idea of the European diseases

1801
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:15,380
the Norse would have been coming by all

1802
01:15:20,410 --> 01:15:17,690
it would take me somebody to pick up a

1803
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:20,420
bug and in in Iceland to travel to

1804
01:15:25,060 --> 01:15:22,570
Greenland and come down to Maine and

1805
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:25,070
into New Hampshire and spread it around

1806
01:15:32,440 --> 01:15:28,010
and smallpox measles who knows what and

1807
01:15:35,500 --> 01:15:32,450
would know with no natural immunities I

1808
01:15:37,030 --> 01:15:35,510
mean that could really do a number on

1809
01:15:38,980 --> 01:15:37,040
your population and then without the

1810
01:15:41,350 --> 01:15:38,990
population needed to rebuild the stone I

1811
01:15:44,380 --> 01:15:41,360
imagine it could come to an end pretty

1812
01:15:46,930 --> 01:15:44,390
quick it would be terribly demoralizing

1813
01:15:48,189 --> 01:15:46,940
spiritually to it this was a ceremonial

1814
01:15:50,259 --> 01:15:48,199
Center

1815
01:15:52,839 --> 01:15:50,269
and all of a sudden you already have

1816
01:15:54,339 --> 01:15:52,849
some kind of a an outbreak of some kind

1817
01:15:56,290 --> 01:15:54,349
of disease that people must have said

1818
01:15:59,770 --> 01:15:56,300
what you know why are the gods doing

1819
01:16:02,350 --> 01:15:59,780
this to us of course it's all just

1820
01:16:05,529 --> 01:16:02,360
speculation but it certainly raises some

1821
01:16:08,979 --> 01:16:05,539
possibilities well with that yeah

1822
01:16:11,890 --> 01:16:08,989
definitely I mean a disease can decimate

1823
01:16:14,319 --> 01:16:11,900
a population yeah well I mean look at

1824
01:16:18,310 --> 01:16:14,329
the a what was at the the Spanish flu

1825
01:16:22,180 --> 01:16:18,320
you know look how the whole communities

1826
01:16:25,359 --> 01:16:22,190
you know we're just taken out yeah in in

1827
01:16:28,959 --> 01:16:25,369
in in Florida within one generation 10

1828
01:16:31,779 --> 01:16:28,969
20 30 years losing 90% of the population

1829
01:16:34,060 --> 01:16:31,789
can you imagine standing there with 10

1830
01:16:36,910 --> 01:16:34,070
of your friends and 9 of them are gone

1831
01:16:38,979 --> 01:16:36,920
just like that and the terrible thing is

1832
01:16:40,419 --> 01:16:38,989
saying that you know in a situation like

1833
01:16:42,729 --> 01:16:40,429
that it's the young people and the old

1834
01:16:44,199 --> 01:16:42,739
people who die first and it's the young

1835
01:16:45,930 --> 01:16:44,209
people who have the energy but it's the

1836
01:16:49,299 --> 01:16:45,940
old people who have the wisdom and the

1837
01:16:50,949 --> 01:16:49,309
wisdom the knowledge would be gone and

1838
01:16:54,129 --> 01:16:50,959
it wouldn't take long for people to

1839
01:16:56,199 --> 01:16:54,139
forget how to do this it must have been

1840
01:16:57,669 --> 01:16:56,209
just devastating to see that we know

1841
01:17:00,819 --> 01:16:57,679
what happened in Florida we know what

1842
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:00,829
happened in Massachusetts and in in New

1843
01:17:05,709 --> 01:17:03,170
Hampshire when the the Pilgrims and the

1844
01:17:08,199 --> 01:17:05,719
Puritans came we know that by then the

1845
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:08,209
devastations that already wreaked havoc

1846
01:17:13,319 --> 01:17:11,449
on the the people there in the alcohol

1847
01:17:15,790 --> 01:17:13,329
came people it must have been just a

1848
01:17:17,589 --> 01:17:15,800
terrible thing now we don't know for

1849
01:17:19,089 --> 01:17:17,599
sure that that was the reason that they

1850
01:17:20,919 --> 01:17:19,099
stopped building it might have been

1851
01:17:24,339 --> 01:17:20,929
warfare it might have been invasion by

1852
01:17:26,589 --> 01:17:24,349
another people who knows might have been

1853
01:17:27,969 --> 01:17:26,599
the weather mmm it's hard to tell you

1854
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:27,979
might have been a change and changing

1855
01:17:33,459 --> 01:17:31,130
the religion people know me people don't

1856
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:33,469
take projects like this without having a

1857
01:17:38,319 --> 01:17:35,570
very important reason and usually that

1858
01:17:40,540 --> 01:17:38,329
reason that will motivate people and

1859
01:17:42,459 --> 01:17:40,550
dedicate man cause people to dedicate

1860
01:17:44,049 --> 01:17:42,469
their lives to this kind of building

1861
01:17:45,489 --> 01:17:44,059
project is usually some kind of

1862
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:45,499
religious reason they believe they're

1863
01:17:51,699 --> 01:17:49,010
doing it for a spiritual purpose and if

1864
01:17:56,679 --> 01:17:51,709
that's if that spiritual purpose is gone

1865
01:17:58,899 --> 01:17:56,689
then that's the project is over Julius

1866
01:18:02,080 --> 01:17:58,909
Caesar used this on purpose against the

1867
01:18:04,990 --> 01:18:02,090
Druids for instance when he when he

1868
01:18:06,430 --> 01:18:05,000
and taking on the conquest of Gaul he

1869
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:06,440
knew he had to just rip the heart out of

1870
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:08,090
the people and so when he would do it go

1871
01:18:12,100 --> 01:18:10,610
into the sacred groves they oak Grove's

1872
01:18:15,250 --> 01:18:12,110
where the Druids gathered and he would

1873
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:15,260
just burn them and cut them down and the

1874
01:18:19,810 --> 01:18:17,090
people just saw their their very

1875
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:19,820
religion their very the they found

1876
01:18:23,979 --> 01:18:21,650
spiritual foundation upon which they

1877
01:18:25,830 --> 01:18:23,989
stand when it was gone they just melted

1878
01:18:28,870 --> 01:18:25,840
back into the hills they said we can't

1879
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:28,880
we can't fight people like in like this

1880
01:18:34,300 --> 01:18:32,210
who's who take over and their gods must

1881
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:34,310
be stronger than our gods and as a

1882
01:18:40,890 --> 01:18:36,530
result that was the end of the Druids

1883
01:18:44,050 --> 01:18:40,900
well Julius Caesar and his ilk are

1884
01:18:47,860 --> 01:18:44,060
demoralizing yeah okay well okay Dennis

1885
01:18:50,410 --> 01:18:47,870
I mean keeping along those lines has

1886
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:50,420
anybody ever discovered any kind of

1887
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:51,250
burials

1888
01:18:57,729 --> 01:18:56,090
there and there's your location well we

1889
01:18:59,439 --> 01:18:57,739
do know the soil in the New England area

1890
01:19:01,720 --> 01:18:59,449
is quite acidic it doesn't really

1891
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:01,730
preserve bones too well and I talked to

1892
01:19:05,380 --> 01:19:03,410
our archaeologist you know the lady I

1893
01:19:07,030 --> 01:19:05,390
mentioned and she said you see a couple

1894
01:19:08,590 --> 01:19:07,040
hundred years you can found some bones

1895
01:19:10,540 --> 01:19:08,600
up to a couple thousand years but

1896
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:10,550
generally most can be dissolved back

1897
01:19:14,110 --> 01:19:13,010
into the ground because of the acidity

1898
01:19:15,820 --> 01:19:14,120
of the soil and the weathering

1899
01:19:17,709 --> 01:19:15,830
conditions but the chamber is like the

1900
01:19:19,150 --> 01:19:17,719
one chambers called the east-west

1901
01:19:22,030 --> 01:19:19,160
chamber looks like some of the galley or

1902
01:19:24,490 --> 01:19:22,040
Gallery graves the bone and pollen they

1903
01:19:26,140 --> 01:19:24,500
call the Giant's bed there in northwest

1904
01:19:27,370 --> 01:19:26,150
Ireland and I've been Ireland but I

1905
01:19:28,420 --> 01:19:27,380
didn't have a chance to see those but

1906
01:19:30,100 --> 01:19:28,430
they're in France and when I was in

1907
01:19:31,930 --> 01:19:30,110
France I saw a few of them they always

1908
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:31,940
face true east and west just like our

1909
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:33,890
chamber they run 20 to 60 feet in length

1910
01:19:37,689 --> 01:19:36,050
just like ours and some of them had

1911
01:19:39,430 --> 01:19:37,699
these orthostats which are the stones

1912
01:19:41,229 --> 01:19:39,440
stood on their end with the stone roofs

1913
01:19:44,229 --> 01:19:41,239
of course and they were used as burial

1914
01:19:46,750 --> 01:19:44,239
chambers the V Hut we have it's looks

1915
01:19:48,430 --> 01:19:46,760
like the letter V looks like a couple of

1916
01:19:50,950 --> 01:19:48,440
the wedge tombs I saw in Ireland they

1917
01:19:52,990 --> 01:19:50,960
also exist in Spain the ones in Ireland

1918
01:19:54,700 --> 01:19:53,000
always face southwest woman I've told

1919
01:19:57,130 --> 01:19:54,710
and the ones I did visit there may be

1920
01:19:58,630 --> 01:19:57,140
some exceptions to that but the size the

1921
01:20:00,580 --> 01:19:58,640
shape and the orientation of evita

1922
01:20:03,310 --> 01:20:00,590
looked like the wedge tombs my dad and I

1923
01:20:05,170 --> 01:20:03,320
had visited back in 1983 oh my god it

1924
01:20:06,580 --> 01:20:05,180
looks just like our chamber and they

1925
01:20:08,620 --> 01:20:06,590
were used as tombs and they're kind of

1926
01:20:10,510 --> 01:20:08,630
empty the ones in Ireland some of them

1927
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:10,520
being used by farmers to put hay in or

1928
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:13,010
they were being used for storage and

1929
01:20:15,939 --> 01:20:14,570
stuff like that somewhere just with the

1930
01:20:17,740 --> 01:20:15,949
roofs missing

1931
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:17,750
we saw a several of them and I said gosh

1932
01:20:22,900 --> 01:20:19,250
but it looks just like our chamber the

1933
01:20:24,370 --> 01:20:22,910
same shape size and orientation and so I

1934
01:20:25,990 --> 01:20:24,380
change some of these chambers could have

1935
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:26,000
been burial but when mr. Goodwin got

1936
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:28,010
there 80 years ago they dubbed they

1937
01:20:32,169 --> 01:20:30,290
clean they sifted but they didn't use

1938
01:20:33,729 --> 01:20:32,179
Kemp they didn't send Soylent to have it

1939
01:20:35,890 --> 01:20:33,739
chemically analyzed to see if there are

1940
01:20:37,150 --> 01:20:35,900
some trace elements that might indicate

1941
01:20:39,310 --> 01:20:37,160
it was a burial they just didn't have

1942
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:39,320
that technology you know it wasn't

1943
01:20:42,669 --> 01:20:40,850
really his fault that he was working

1944
01:20:44,860 --> 01:20:42,679
with the tools he had at the time 80

1945
01:20:46,450 --> 01:20:44,870
years ago but today it would be much

1946
01:20:49,090 --> 01:20:46,460
more carefully of course and we could

1947
01:20:50,830 --> 01:20:49,100
get so much more information from just

1948
01:20:52,510 --> 01:20:50,840
the soil itself you know and that might

1949
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:52,520
have revealed that in fact it was a

1950
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:54,530
burial chamber both of those structures

1951
01:20:58,720 --> 01:20:57,050
you know so no we haven't found we have

1952
01:21:00,850 --> 01:20:58,730
found some bones in the site we have

1953
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:00,860
found human with it was looked at in

1954
01:21:04,930 --> 01:21:03,650
1970 as being a human bone I don't know

1955
01:21:06,939 --> 01:21:04,940
what became of that if we went to a

1956
01:21:08,890 --> 01:21:06,949
museum to have further work on us before

1957
01:21:10,150 --> 01:21:08,900
DNA and everything they said it was

1958
01:21:11,709 --> 01:21:10,160
human so it could have been something

1959
01:21:13,900 --> 01:21:11,719
recent it could have been something old

1960
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:13,910
and then we found some bones including

1961
01:21:18,340 --> 01:21:15,530
what looked like a bison bone found in

1962
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:18,350
the what we call the watch house it was

1963
01:21:22,959 --> 01:21:20,090
but they didn't carbon date it was found

1964
01:21:24,820 --> 01:21:22,969
in 1958 it could have been carbon dated

1965
01:21:27,580 --> 01:21:24,830
because that came out in 1950 but we

1966
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:27,590
didn't do that so a couple of chambers

1967
01:21:34,150 --> 01:21:29,890
could have been burial tombs possibly

1968
01:21:36,430 --> 01:21:34,160
dennis is has there been any evidence of

1969
01:21:37,930 --> 01:21:36,440
the red paint people I guess now that's

1970
01:21:40,930 --> 01:21:37,940
called another they're called the

1971
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:40,940
maritime RTR k-x civilization coming

1972
01:21:46,209 --> 01:21:42,730
down inland that far into New Hampshire

1973
01:21:47,740 --> 01:21:46,219
well in Massachusetts James Woodall one

1974
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:47,750
of the researchers that work in our site

1975
01:21:53,650 --> 01:21:51,170
in the 60s he died 1998 and he was

1976
01:21:57,010 --> 01:21:53,660
working on a site I believe it was in

1977
01:21:59,169 --> 01:21:57,020
Massachusetts I try to think what town

1978
01:22:02,470 --> 01:21:59,179
it was one then and they did find red

1979
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:02,480
ochre mm-hmm and not at our site that I

1980
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:05,090
recall but it has been found in New

1981
01:22:08,530 --> 01:22:07,130
England yes so that's why it's awfully

1982
01:22:11,229 --> 01:22:08,540
close I know there's a there's a red

1983
01:22:14,110 --> 01:22:11,239
paint people or a maritime archaic

1984
01:22:16,540 --> 01:22:14,120
civilization say on North Haven Island

1985
01:22:19,270 --> 01:22:16,550
up in Penobscot Bay which is not that

1986
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:19,280
far away from where you are right yeah

1987
01:22:23,530 --> 01:22:21,290
and there's one in Massachusetts may

1988
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:23,540
have been Amesbury mass I it's in one of

1989
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:25,489
the books by David Brody he mentioned

1990
01:22:29,260 --> 01:22:27,650
the whole thing it's one of his more

1991
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:29,270
recent but he actually identifies

1992
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:31,130
I believe was in Massachusetts and he

1993
01:22:35,530 --> 01:22:33,050
gives the town but James Woodall worked

1994
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:35,540
on that and he I think in the early 70s

1995
01:22:40,390 --> 01:22:38,480
or perhaps the late sixties yes so that

1996
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:40,400
has been even close to us the red paint

1997
01:22:45,550 --> 01:22:43,130
that's and now that that culture would

1998
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:45,560
have gone back would have started 5000

1999
01:22:49,140 --> 01:22:46,970
years ago but it was still flourishing

2000
01:22:52,030 --> 01:22:49,150
4000 years ago when your site was built

2001
01:22:55,330 --> 01:22:52,040
across the mountain lanta yeah yeah now

2002
01:22:58,960 --> 01:22:55,340
I understand that not only the

2003
01:23:02,650 --> 01:22:58,970
carbon-dating but also when you compute

2004
01:23:06,070 --> 01:23:02,660
the site lines that the site lines were

2005
01:23:08,260 --> 01:23:06,080
in line about what three thousand eight

2006
01:23:13,170 --> 01:23:08,270
hundred years ago about the same time as

2007
01:23:18,370 --> 01:23:13,180
the carbon thing so if it is a Astro you

2008
01:23:22,510 --> 01:23:18,380
know archaea archaea RTO astronomy if

2009
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:22,520
those are figured in then that's another

2010
01:23:25,390 --> 01:23:24,170
another dating that brings you right

2011
01:23:28,180 --> 01:23:25,400
back to that four thousand year period

2012
01:23:29,530 --> 01:23:28,190
right that's a great point yeah and 71

2013
01:23:31,060 --> 01:23:29,540
we get the four thousand you were and

2014
01:23:33,550 --> 01:23:31,070
that's the oldest one in the main site

2015
01:23:35,950 --> 01:23:33,560
we do have one other date out near the

2016
01:23:37,660 --> 01:23:35,960
North Stone alignment and that was about

2017
01:23:39,820 --> 01:23:37,670
seven thousand four hundred years old it

2018
01:23:41,230 --> 01:23:39,830
appears to be a fire pit it didn't date

2019
01:23:43,030 --> 01:23:41,240
the site but it looks like somebody was

2020
01:23:44,830 --> 01:23:43,040
there middle Archaic time period

2021
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:44,840
building a fire I'll throw that in there

2022
01:23:50,220 --> 01:23:46,970
but back to the main site the 4000 year

2023
01:23:52,450 --> 01:23:50,230
old date in 1977 we had already done

2024
01:23:54,820 --> 01:23:52,460
four years of survey work on the

2025
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:54,830
astronomical alignments that data was

2026
01:23:58,570 --> 01:23:56,210
sent to the Hobbit Smithsonian Center

2027
01:24:00,640 --> 01:23:58,580
for Astrophysics in Cambridge Mass in

2028
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:00,650
1978 we get the results back and they

2029
01:24:04,900 --> 01:24:02,810
said if these stones monoliths were used

2030
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:04,910
for astronomical purposes it would work

2031
01:24:08,890 --> 01:24:06,770
about 1800 BC as you mentioned about

2032
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:08,900
3,800 years ago plus or minus a couple

2033
01:24:13,450 --> 01:24:10,850
hundred years due to the earth's tilt

2034
01:24:15,460 --> 01:24:13,460
the obligatory that 41,000 years cycle

2035
01:24:17,500 --> 01:24:15,470
and it's interesting that Sir Norman

2036
01:24:19,390 --> 01:24:17,510
Lockyer 100 years ago who worked on

2037
01:24:21,100 --> 01:24:19,400
Stonehenge and other sites said these

2038
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:21,110
sites seem to be off a little there's an

2039
01:24:24,910 --> 01:24:23,330
error in the solstices the equinoxes do

2040
01:24:27,130 --> 01:24:24,920
works but the lunar alignments and the

2041
01:24:29,590 --> 01:24:27,140
cross-quarter days seem to be off if we

2042
01:24:31,390 --> 01:24:29,600
can identify the time that they work we

2043
01:24:33,100 --> 01:24:31,400
can tell you how old the site is and he

2044
01:24:35,170 --> 01:24:33,110
was already onto that 100 years ago so

2045
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:35,180
that's the data we use you know so we

2046
01:24:38,830 --> 01:24:37,130
used astronomical and radiocarbon dating

2047
01:24:40,390 --> 01:24:38,840
and then the way the stones are shaped

2048
01:24:42,820 --> 01:24:40,400
using stone tools that percussion

2049
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:42,830
flaking would put it back into the Stone

2050
01:24:44,620 --> 01:24:43,130
Age

2051
01:24:46,149 --> 01:24:44,630
period - it doesn't really date it

2052
01:24:47,919 --> 01:24:46,159
specifically but it shows you it's

2053
01:24:50,709 --> 01:24:47,929
probably not a colonial a post-colonial

2054
01:24:53,290 --> 01:24:50,719
you know construction you know so you

2055
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:53,300
have you have different fields of

2056
01:24:59,080 --> 01:24:56,090
evidence all all merging at that 4,000

2057
01:25:01,330 --> 01:24:59,090
year old date that no it does need to be

2058
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:01,340
that yes absolutely and one of the stars

2059
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:04,370
eyes are there's a 14-foot monolith that

2060
01:25:09,010 --> 01:25:07,370
was found 20 years ago and dr. Winkler

2061
01:25:11,020 --> 01:25:09,020
from Penn State when he was an IQ

2062
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:11,030
astronomer for 30 years began working

2063
01:25:15,070 --> 01:25:13,130
towards the end of his career at Penn

2064
01:25:16,629 --> 01:25:15,080
State and he worked on our site for

2065
01:25:17,830 --> 01:25:16,639
about three or four years and even

2066
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:17,840
published a little bit and then he

2067
01:25:22,660 --> 01:25:20,570
suddenly died unfortunately in 2001 he

2068
01:25:25,540 --> 01:25:22,670
said Isaiah would have lined with his 14

2069
01:25:27,580 --> 01:25:25,550
foot men here or it's a long stone if

2070
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:27,590
you were like a tall monolith and that

2071
01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:29,090
would be about 100

2072
01:25:33,459 --> 01:25:31,489
about 4,000 years ago it would have been

2073
01:25:37,180 --> 01:25:33,469
about one century that would work there

2074
01:25:39,550 --> 01:25:37,190
was a polar crazing polar what did it

2075
01:25:44,470 --> 01:25:39,560
call a polar circumpolar grazing star

2076
01:25:46,419 --> 01:25:44,480
alignment and yeah and in that data was

2077
01:25:48,820 --> 01:25:46,429
sent over to England about just about

2078
01:25:50,890 --> 01:25:48,830
three years ago a gentleman named Alan

2079
01:25:52,990 --> 01:25:50,900
Butler he's been on a number of TV shows

2080
01:25:54,850 --> 01:25:53,000
he does a lot of research he sent to his

2081
01:25:56,620 --> 01:25:54,860
friend who's an astronomer and he gave

2082
01:25:59,050 --> 01:25:56,630
him the information he goes yeah that's

2083
01:26:00,399 --> 01:25:59,060
right about 100 years period because of

2084
01:26:02,530 --> 01:26:00,409
the precession that you know precession

2085
01:26:03,939 --> 01:26:02,540
of the earth the yellows the precession

2086
01:26:06,070 --> 01:26:03,949
of the equinoxes zeroes you know how at

2087
01:26:07,660 --> 01:26:06,080
the 26,000 years cycle it would

2088
01:26:09,370 --> 01:26:07,670
eventually throw it out but for about a

2089
01:26:10,750 --> 01:26:09,380
hundred year period about four thousand

2090
01:26:12,399 --> 01:26:10,760
years ago it would work it would

2091
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:12,409
actually line with that

2092
01:26:16,570 --> 01:26:14,330
so maybe the third way you know that oh

2093
01:26:19,990 --> 01:26:16,580
but it's astronomical so here we have

2094
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:20,000
these sophisticated people who had a

2095
01:26:27,310 --> 01:26:22,730
knowledge of the night skies far

2096
01:26:29,500 --> 01:26:27,320
superior to anybody that I know or

2097
01:26:33,490 --> 01:26:29,510
probably anybody that any of us know and

2098
01:26:36,850 --> 01:26:33,500
they did it simply with their eye they

2099
01:26:38,860 --> 01:26:36,860
had even modern astronomers would have

2100
01:26:41,110 --> 01:26:38,870
to be using computers they'd have to be

2101
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:41,120
using telescopes and these people did it

2102
01:26:44,890 --> 01:26:43,010
just by observing the night sky I think

2103
01:26:46,390 --> 01:26:44,900
that's absolutely unbelievable

2104
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:46,400
these were these were intelligent

2105
01:26:52,300 --> 01:26:50,570
intelligent people Absalom

2106
01:26:53,740 --> 01:26:52,310
yeah well and that that was one of the

2107
01:26:56,260 --> 01:26:53,750
questions that I was going to ask you

2108
01:26:56,770 --> 01:26:56,270
you're talking about the the alignments

2109
01:26:58,720 --> 01:26:56,780
with

2110
01:27:02,560 --> 01:26:58,730
Amerika stone hands and you know in

2111
01:27:04,569 --> 01:27:02,570
places like England stone hands and and

2112
01:27:07,870 --> 01:27:04,579
beyond that you know how could these

2113
01:27:10,629 --> 01:27:07,880
people do that without the knowledge of

2114
01:27:12,729 --> 01:27:10,639
you know like longitude latitude you

2115
01:27:21,430 --> 01:27:12,739
know things or things like that

2116
01:27:24,580 --> 01:27:21,440
yeah yeah that's that's the mystery we

2117
01:27:27,399 --> 01:27:24,590
have other things too like the serpent

2118
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:27,409
walsim might be as above so below

2119
01:27:33,310 --> 01:27:30,050
you know Draco the constellation of

2120
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:33,320
Draco you know the dragon in 4000 years

2121
01:27:41,169 --> 01:27:38,090
or one of its stars alpha alpha Draconis

2122
01:27:43,959 --> 01:27:41,179
Subban was the pole star you know so

2123
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:43,969
yeah the time of 4000 years ago at the

2124
01:27:47,109 --> 01:27:45,530
course of the night Subban would have

2125
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:47,119
been spinning around that this dragon

2126
01:27:50,500 --> 01:27:49,010
around one of its stars and that would

2127
01:27:51,700 --> 01:27:50,510
have been true north you know and some

2128
01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:51,710
people felt that was the gateway to

2129
01:27:55,180 --> 01:27:53,449
heaven and they may have brought that

2130
01:27:57,069 --> 01:27:55,190
down and built stone walls and maybe the

2131
01:27:59,890 --> 01:27:57,079
Great Serpent Mound in Ohio and others

2132
01:28:02,140 --> 01:27:59,900
you know built maybe you know maybe we

2133
01:28:05,649 --> 01:28:02,150
went when we moved here to uh South

2134
01:28:08,890 --> 01:28:05,659
Carolina we found a number of stone

2135
01:28:10,870 --> 01:28:08,900
piles around in the woods what we kind

2136
01:28:12,669 --> 01:28:10,880
of absolutely stumbled over this idea

2137
01:28:15,430 --> 01:28:12,679
that some archeologists are now calling

2138
01:28:17,049 --> 01:28:15,440
the problem of stone piles they were

2139
01:28:20,290 --> 01:28:17,059
built for many different reasons some of

2140
01:28:23,740 --> 01:28:20,300
them some of them were built to clear

2141
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:23,750
fields but a lot of them some of them

2142
01:28:27,189 --> 01:28:25,250
right here on our property for instance

2143
01:28:29,410 --> 01:28:27,199
where we live were not that way at all

2144
01:28:32,140 --> 01:28:29,420
and so I got a surveyor friend of mine

2145
01:28:35,919 --> 01:28:32,150
and I spent a day going around and

2146
01:28:38,740 --> 01:28:35,929
looking and marking where all these

2147
01:28:40,180 --> 01:28:38,750
stone piles were and we came back and

2148
01:28:44,350 --> 01:28:40,190
put it on a chart and they looked

2149
01:28:47,529 --> 01:28:44,360
awfully familiar so when I brought up a

2150
01:28:51,549 --> 01:28:47,539
star chart on the ground we had a

2151
01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:51,559
perfect overlay of the stars from the

2152
01:28:56,649 --> 01:28:53,449
northern cross from the constellation of

2153
01:28:59,379 --> 01:28:56,659
Cygnus and when when I discovered this

2154
01:29:00,459 --> 01:28:59,389
as above so below so to speak I realized

2155
01:29:02,620 --> 01:29:00,469
that there's a place right up there

2156
01:29:04,930 --> 01:29:02,630
where I call it my shaman circle now I

2157
01:29:06,350 --> 01:29:04,940
go up there a lot and you can actually

2158
01:29:08,209 --> 01:29:06,360
stand there and look

2159
01:29:10,459 --> 01:29:08,219
the hilltops and on the night of the

2160
01:29:12,530 --> 01:29:10,469
winter solstice if they had fires each

2161
01:29:14,810 --> 01:29:12,540
of these places the fires would be

2162
01:29:18,050 --> 01:29:14,820
burning and you would see on the ground

2163
01:29:19,490 --> 01:29:18,060
an exact representation of what was

2164
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:19,500
taking place in the heavens at the

2165
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:21,810
northern cross the Christmas cross as

2166
01:29:25,129 --> 01:29:23,489
soon as as soon as I discovered this and

2167
01:29:28,010 --> 01:29:25,139
then tied it in with Cygnus I got in

2168
01:29:30,379 --> 01:29:28,020
touch with Andrew Collins right away who

2169
01:29:32,419 --> 01:29:30,389
is probably the biggest Cygnus Authority

2170
01:29:35,419 --> 01:29:32,429
and he wrote back with him within an

2171
01:29:36,979 --> 01:29:35,429
hour and he said are there any bird

2172
01:29:38,780 --> 01:29:36,989
cults in your area

2173
01:29:41,270 --> 01:29:38,790
well of course right over the river we

2174
01:29:44,090 --> 01:29:41,280
have the hawk effigy and the eagle

2175
01:29:46,430 --> 01:29:44,100
effigy so obviously this was going on so

2176
01:29:48,229 --> 01:29:46,440
this whole idea of the ancients bringing

2177
01:29:49,209 --> 01:29:48,239
the heavens down to earth as above so

2178
01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:49,219
below

2179
01:29:55,220 --> 01:29:52,530
it's there's an awful lot to that I'm

2180
01:29:58,100 --> 01:29:55,230
just I'm just fascinated by the by the

2181
01:29:59,450 --> 01:29:58,110
whole science of it okay it's not some

2182
01:30:01,520 --> 01:29:59,460
cruciform shapes and some of the

2183
01:30:04,609 --> 01:30:01,530
chambers over in Europe with my dad in

2184
01:30:06,470 --> 01:30:04,619
Ireland also in Mexico and I'm thinking

2185
01:30:07,820 --> 01:30:06,480
you know maybe it's Cygnus because it is

2186
01:30:09,470 --> 01:30:07,830
shaped like a cross that could have

2187
01:30:11,419 --> 01:30:09,480
inspired some of those possibly you know

2188
01:30:13,430 --> 01:30:11,429
again you know yeah I don't think the

2189
01:30:16,189 --> 01:30:13,440
cross when we just associate the cross

2190
01:30:18,439 --> 01:30:16,199
with Christianity but I think the the

2191
01:30:21,020 --> 01:30:18,449
cross is a much more ancient symbol than

2192
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:21,030
that and of course we see it in the sky

2193
01:30:24,370 --> 01:30:22,530
right up here the Great Northern cross

2194
01:30:27,620 --> 01:30:24,380
which comes out at Christmas time and

2195
01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:27,630
when you when you look at it and you see

2196
01:30:34,070 --> 01:30:29,730
it there you realize it's it's a perfect

2197
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:34,080
image of above and below and and side to

2198
01:30:39,620 --> 01:30:36,810
side and these lines meet right at the

2199
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:39,630
heart chakra so to speak the center of

2200
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:40,530
it all

2201
01:30:45,430 --> 01:30:43,650
and of course Cygnus is you know the the

2202
01:30:47,899 --> 01:30:45,440
Swan although some people call them a--

2203
01:30:50,180 --> 01:30:47,909
some people call it a you know different

2204
01:30:54,919 --> 01:30:50,190
kind of birds from eagles and and hawks

2205
01:30:58,399 --> 01:30:54,929
even to storks but Cygnus bisects the

2206
01:31:00,229 --> 01:30:58,409
Milky Way and it is the place where the

2207
01:31:02,570 --> 01:31:00,239
ancients especially a gobekli tepe

2208
01:31:04,729 --> 01:31:02,580
who know this so much better than we do

2209
01:31:07,010 --> 01:31:04,739
they believed that it was in this

2210
01:31:09,890 --> 01:31:07,020
location that the souls would depart and

2211
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:09,900
make their journey to the skies it's a

2212
01:31:13,399 --> 01:31:12,090
fascinating thing I really recommend

2213
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:13,409
anybody sent arrested is I really

2214
01:31:19,700 --> 01:31:16,290
recommend Andrew Collins book the Cygnus

2215
01:31:20,540 --> 01:31:19,710
mystery and it's fascinating it's

2216
01:31:22,820 --> 01:31:20,550
fascinating

2217
01:31:26,050 --> 01:31:22,830
gentlemen were we're unfortunately

2218
01:31:29,270 --> 01:31:26,060
rapidly running out of time and Troy

2219
01:31:31,540 --> 01:31:29,280
wanted to know have there been any a UFO

2220
01:31:35,390 --> 01:31:31,550
or Bigfoot sightings in the area of

2221
01:31:37,250 --> 01:31:35,400
America's a stone hedge I think in

2222
01:31:39,169 --> 01:31:37,260
theory there was a report of a very very

2223
01:31:41,359 --> 01:31:39,179
tall hairy kind of thing it's in one of

2224
01:31:42,709 --> 01:31:41,369
the one of the local books on folklore I

2225
01:31:45,709 --> 01:31:42,719
think it happened quite a few years ago

2226
01:31:48,169 --> 01:31:45,719
and then we had the incident Exeter all

2227
01:31:49,879 --> 01:31:48,179
right 65 and we also had the bonny and

2228
01:31:51,379 --> 01:31:49,889
Betty hill but that was further north

2229
01:31:53,990 --> 01:31:51,389
and actually Betty became a friend of my

2230
01:31:56,180 --> 01:31:54,000
mom's you know and last year we had 7up

2231
01:31:58,580 --> 01:31:56,190
so what kind of into the joy whole thing

2232
01:32:00,740 --> 01:31:58,590
- I find it a fascinating subject but

2233
01:32:03,260 --> 01:32:00,750
not nothing none of the landed on our

2234
01:32:05,089 --> 01:32:03,270
property that I'm aware of but down an

2235
01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:05,099
incident Exeter was a big one and there

2236
01:32:09,109 --> 01:32:07,170
was one the next town over where it was

2237
01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:09,119
reported it's one of those case studies

2238
01:32:13,729 --> 01:32:11,730
- but a Tower Hill not yet that I'm

2239
01:32:16,910 --> 01:32:13,739
aware of you know and you're done you're

2240
01:32:19,339 --> 01:32:16,920
not that far north of the Binga the the

2241
01:32:21,709 --> 01:32:19,349
triangle down in Massachusetts and Rhode

2242
01:32:23,359 --> 01:32:21,719
Island what they call the devil's

2243
01:32:26,109 --> 01:32:23,369
triangle down here and the inside you

2244
01:32:26,119 --> 01:32:31,870
southeast of yeah yes the Boston

2245
01:32:35,810 --> 01:32:33,950
Bridgewater right the Bridgewater did

2246
01:32:38,209 --> 01:32:35,820
that yeah yeah what pretty close to that

2247
01:32:39,859 --> 01:32:38,219
yeah yeah that's that's so that's a

2248
01:32:42,140 --> 01:32:39,869
fascinating thing I've spent some time

2249
01:32:45,169 --> 01:32:42,150
down there really interesting energies

2250
01:32:47,359 --> 01:32:45,179
down there okay guys before we have to

2251
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:47,369
wrap up here I want to let our audience

2252
01:32:52,729 --> 01:32:50,010
know a little bit more about where they

2253
01:32:54,310 --> 01:32:52,739
can find out more about you so Dennis

2254
01:32:57,350 --> 01:32:54,320
you have a website or anything like that

2255
01:33:00,470 --> 01:32:57,360
yeah we have Instagram Facebook and then

2256
01:33:02,330 --> 01:33:00,480
we have Stonehenge usa.com and it has an

2257
01:33:03,290 --> 01:33:02,340
email address and a phone number so they

2258
01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:03,300
can reach us that way

2259
01:33:08,810 --> 01:33:06,330
mm-hmm and so okay if somebody's in the

2260
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:08,820
area where can they find you yeah we're

2261
01:33:13,189 --> 01:33:11,489
we're you mean the location is for

2262
01:33:15,530 --> 01:33:13,199
instance a look yeah North Salem New

2263
01:33:17,060 --> 01:33:15,540
Hampshire and under America Stonehenge

2264
01:33:18,290 --> 01:33:17,070
if you go to your google play store they

2265
01:33:19,970 --> 01:33:18,300
have an app and you can actually do a

2266
01:33:21,320 --> 01:33:19,980
virtual tour on us or something new we

2267
01:33:23,390 --> 01:33:21,330
started last summer so they can actually

2268
01:33:23,839 --> 01:33:23,400
do it from their home if they like all

2269
01:33:28,459 --> 01:33:23,849
right cool

2270
01:33:29,970 --> 01:33:28,469
and Jim what about you ww Jim Willis net

2271
01:33:32,010 --> 01:33:29,980
is the web site

2272
01:33:33,510 --> 01:33:32,020
that has all kinds of things that lists

2273
01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:33,520
all the books I've written any articles

2274
01:33:39,300 --> 01:33:37,449
have written and some dowsing videos and

2275
01:33:43,919 --> 01:33:39,310
things like that and on Facebook it's

2276
01:33:46,439 --> 01:33:43,929
Jim Willis dot author all right yeah go

2277
01:33:48,300 --> 01:33:46,449
ahead and and the two new books coming

2278
01:33:51,510 --> 01:33:48,310
out this fall the quantum Akashic field

2279
01:33:54,990 --> 01:33:51,520
and lost civilizations coming out this

2280
01:33:59,370 --> 01:33:55,000
fall all right fantastic and just real

2281
01:34:02,520 --> 01:33:59,380
quick the supernatural gods and what was

2282
01:34:03,870 --> 01:34:02,530
what was the ancient gods lost histories

2283
01:34:07,169 --> 01:34:03,880
hidden truths and the conspiracy of

2284
01:34:09,530 --> 01:34:07,179
silence and supernatural God's spiritual

2285
01:34:13,110 --> 01:34:09,540
mystery psychic experiences and

2286
01:34:15,330 --> 01:34:13,120
scientific truths Wow well and I have to

2287
01:34:17,550 --> 01:34:15,340
tell everyone that both of those books

2288
01:34:19,919 --> 01:34:17,560
are just absolutely fantastic and I

2289
01:34:22,890 --> 01:34:19,929
highly recommend them and I can't wait

2290
01:34:24,689 --> 01:34:22,900
to read your new the ones when they come

2291
01:34:27,090 --> 01:34:24,699
out and we'll have to have you back on I

2292
01:34:29,010 --> 01:34:27,100
love to come love to catch ya battalion

2293
01:34:30,959 --> 01:34:29,020
and and Dennis I hope I can get up to

2294
01:34:32,970 --> 01:34:30,969
American Stonehenge soon I'd love to

2295
01:34:35,580 --> 01:34:32,980
meet you and bring my dowsing rods and

2296
01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:35,590
oh well I hope you both come up they

2297
01:34:42,479 --> 01:34:37,090
would love to meet both you so anytime

2298
01:34:44,610 --> 01:34:42,489
come on up I'll give you a tour oh all

2299
01:34:47,610 --> 01:34:44,620
right well gentlemen thank you very much

2300
01:34:49,620 --> 01:34:47,620
this has been a fantastic show I've

2301
01:34:53,700 --> 01:34:49,630
learned a lot and I think our audience

2302
01:34:55,380 --> 01:34:53,710
has learned a lot of as well and so

2303
01:34:57,510 --> 01:34:55,390
unfortunately we're going to have to

2304
01:35:00,300 --> 01:34:57,520
wrap it up so I want to thank everyone

2305
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:00,310
for listening thanks to Tim Buckley and

2306
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:02,530
all of our friends and be sure to go out

2307
01:35:07,740 --> 01:35:05,290
and buy my newest book Jeff the talking

2308
01:35:10,229 --> 01:35:07,750
Mongoose the eighth wonder of the world

2309
01:35:12,380 --> 01:35:10,239
so thanks everyone and we'll see you

2310
01:35:19,129 --> 01:35:12,390
again next week tonight

2311
01:35:25,950 --> 01:35:21,959
you've been listening to exploring the

2312
01:35:29,220 --> 01:35:25,960
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2313
01:35:32,070 --> 01:35:29,230
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2314
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:32,080
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2315
01:35:38,489 --> 01:35:34,690
search of the truly bizarre and totally

2316
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:38,499
unexplained with you as their cold

2317
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:41,010
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2318
01:35:46,719 --> 01:35:45,489
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2319
01:35:49,149 --> 01:35:46,729
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2320
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:49,159
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2321
01:35:55,449 --> 01:35:52,610
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2322
01:35:58,540 --> 01:35:55,459
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2323
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2324
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